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Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 06:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm tracking my family back through UK census records, and in 1851 the birthplace for Edwin's father John Pugh is recorded as Crukharth Salop. I believe Salop is shorthand for Shropshire, and the closest town I can match is "Crickheath". Would this be a plausible match to this potential transcription error?
1851 census (Edwin Pugh, wood turner)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLQ-54X
1861 census (Edwin Pugh, wood and ivory turner master)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M75M-D4F
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The birthplace for Edwin seems to change from 'Bootle' to 'Borth' Lancashire, which also doesn't makes sense.
The 1851 occupation for John Pugh is 'Milwright', but on the marriage record for Edwin Pugh (1849), the occupation for John Pugh is 'pattern-maker', which seems a big change in career.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-G9PZ-P
Other records that I believe are from this family,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTJL-6MP
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26PW-X7L
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2NLL-BTX

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Re: Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 January 21 07:02 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the 1851 image John's birthplace could well be Crickheath   

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Re: Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 January 21 07:04 GMT (UK) »
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The birthplace for Edwin seems to change from 'Bootle' to 'Borth' Lancashire, which also doesn't makes sense

Thats because it isn't Borth.

clip attached of the 1861  ;D



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Re: Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 January 21 07:16 GMT (UK) »
This looks like Edwin's bapt in 1824 in Liverpool (Wakton on the Hill) with address listed as Booth and father John was a Millwright

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Re: Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 January 21 07:28 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 I think this John and family liviing in Liverpool with John listed an Engineer   Added maybe his description as a pattern maker on his sons marriage cert refered to this??  :-\
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patternmaker_(engineering)
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Re: Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 January 21 10:27 GMT (UK) »
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(Wakton on the Hill) with address listed as Booth

It's Walton on the Hill with address listed as Bootle
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Re: Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 January 21 11:24 GMT (UK) »
There is a possible baptism for John Pugh in the Parish of Llanymynech in 1785:

Baptism June 30 John son of John Pugh of Oswestry Parish, wheelwright, and Mary (formerly Mary Michael, of the same) born May 30.

This couple appear to have had two other children baptised in Llanymynec,  Robert baptised in 1787 and Margaret baptised in 1791. The baptism for Robert has this:

Robert son of John Pugh of Crickett in the parish of Oswestry, wheelwright and Mary his wife (formerly Mary Michael of the parish of Oswestry ) was born September 15 1787 and Baptized Sepr 16th.

An early map of Shropshire has Crickheath written as Cricketh. Is it reasonable to assume that Crickett recorded on the above baptism is a version of this? Certainly worth considering given the location of Crickheath between LLanymynech and Oswestry.

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Re: Is Crukharth Salop actually Crickheath Shropshire, in UK 1851?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 January 21 01:52 GMT (UK) »
Oh my gosh thank you all SO much for this additional information! As you can probably see, I'm working from familysearch because I can't spend any money on subscriptions.
These are some wonderful leads <3 My family history says that my ancestor was Welsh so it is interesting that there is a record from Wales.
Thank you again :)