Thomas QUINN, South Australia?

[Neale1961]

Police Court Adelaide Sept 1897

[JBenn]

Thanks Neale and Essie, some really good information there.

It's my first day back to work today so will need some time to review everything posted but should be able to look into it in breaks or this evening.

It's definitely not what I was expecting, plenty of questions raised. It's clear that the Quinn side goes back further in South Australian history than we thought. These dates are starting to get to pioneer territory now. Very interesting. There were rumours of something, not this however but as mentioned it could of been a cover for a scandal of some sort.

Ok need coffee.
Cheers.

[JBenn]

OK on lunch break, Ill address some of the remarks later today but have just found via the West Terrace Cemetery site That Thomas Michael was listed as age 56, so that would be 1886.
Buried in the same plot is Beatrice, which I find odd if they had separated years before but there is lots of odd here.

But there is a third burial in the plot, one...

Edward Heron, died 23 Oct 1924.
The age lists 0 so wonder what that would mean, either lost at birth or unknown. But it's an Edward.

https://aca-intramaps.byond.cloud/IntraMaps96/?project=West%20Terrace%20Public&module=West%20Terrace&layer=~Site&mapkey=WTC-CAW-V-143

Update: There is a family tree on ancestry with an Edward Heron that seems to have attached the same DOD to his story. This man looks to be a fine gentlemen with a large family so I'm unsure why he would be buried with my lot.

Genealogy SA has an Edward Heron listed as 81 years old, significant event 1924. This also roughly matches trees on Ancestry.

[JBenn]

All in all, amazing discoveries except for the Pepper link!   

I wonder if PEPPER was a name she used after the split with her husband. She may have been living with a partner, named Pepper. She would take his name and pretend they were husband and wife to avoid any scandal and gossip. Thus the Pepper name was remembered, even though at her death she was recorded as Quinn. I wonder if her death cert would show the names of witnesses?

In the Police records and in newspapers there are numerous and regular records from 1897 to 1907 for Mary Quinn being charged / fined / imprisoned - for being drunk in Adelaide or using indecent language.

Thanks again for the transcriptions and info on Dorothy.
There is also a list of police entries as long as an arm in regards to Thomas singular and Thomas Michael, they can´t all be him surely. I´ll do my best to get through them for both he and Mary.

Yeah the PEPPER part is what threw me and it seems that not just my direct family but the far removed family all list her as a PEPPER. There is one other Beryl PEPPER around those times too so maybe took inspiration from her. I´m unsure if she ever had another partner, don´t think so but will bring it up with my Mum and get back with any useful information she may have. Going to ask if she knows where the grave is, among other things, and see if that correlates.

[JBenn]

John Quinn and Ann McGuire were married 28 May 1862 Adelaide.
Her father- John McGuire; His father – Thomas Quinn.
Their first child was a son named Thomas born on 10 June 1865 Port Adelaide; died 1930
John Quinn died 1913 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156529736/john-quinn

Wouldn’t it be interesting if the various Quinns were all related - so Beatrice and Thomas were cousins of some type.

I have speculated about that with this new information and it wouldn´t be surprising at all.
Funny thing is we always thought that perhaps the QUINN family associated with Thomas was possibly hiding something from the past but kind of dismissed it thinking the lack of info was likely because they were from Ireland. Turns out they had been here all that time.
And now the QUINN side has doubled which certainly wasn´t expected.

Not sure what to make of this Edward HERON that is buried with them, could be the same Edward that is listed as father for the marriage. But pretty sure I saw that listed as an Edward QUINN.
It may just be a coincidence.

[Neale1961]

Adelaide Advertiser
DEATHS.
HERON- On the 22nd October, at Adelaide Hospital, Edward Heron, builder and contractor,
late of Victoria and Western Australia, aged 81 years.    R.I.P.
Father of John Heron,South Belmont, W.A.; Norah Hawkins, South Fremantle, W.A.; Ann McLoughlin, Bollen street, Kilkenny, S.A.

HERON —The FRIENDS of the late Mr. EDWARD HERON, of Bollen street Kilkenny are respectfully informed that his Remains were privately interred in the Catholic Cemetery. West-terrace, on THURSDAY, 23rd last.

[JBenn]

Cheers, it does seem he is the same HERON associated with all the family trees I can find. I guess it is possible he died relatively alone in SA away from his first family as he was 'resident' in VIC on the relevant dates surrounding Thomas' birth.
It's possible they are just sharing a grave maybe?

That said if he was in SA in 1915 then maybe he could of been the witness at the marriage.
Why would he leave VIC then WA to end up in Adelaide, the unknown Mother?

Annoying coincidence or possibly vital info. I can't tell at this stage.

Interesting as I have him and family in Adelaide leaving for Albany in 1895.
https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1684/images/31730_222258-00861?pId=1975662

[Neale1961]

It's possible they are just sharing a grave maybe?

Why would he leave VIC then WA to end up in Adelaide, the unknown Mother?

Annoying coincidence or possibly vital info. I can't tell at this stage.

Edward Heron died at the house of his daughter Ann (Bollen St. Kilkenny) – probably in SA to visit her.
I am inclined to think he is nothing to do with your family; a few decades after he died, the 2/3 empty plot was filled by the Quinns. The name Edward a coincidence. Keep it in mind as you continue the search.

[Neale1961]

I came across this interesting court report in the “Burra Record” - Wed 16 Nov 1898

MAGISTRATES' COURT.
REDRUTH, Nov. 15. 1898
Before Messrs. J. Sampson and A. Harris, J's.P.
James Quinn was brought before the court to show cause why he does not contribute towards the support of his aged mother.
Mary Quinn said she was a widow, residing at Kooringa ; Defendant was her son ; She was in destitute circumstances ; In August last her rations were stopped, and she then appealed to her son for relief, but he could not give her any ; Witness had two sons and two daughters.
James Quinn said the complainant was his mother ; He found it impossible to assist her, as he had a little orphan boy and a wife to support ; He was very often out of work, and at present he was doing nothing ; if he had it within his power he would willingly help her.
In answer to the Court Mrs. Quinn said she could live on 2s 6d a week.
After further evidence the case was adjourned for one month in order to enable defendant to get work, and to see then what he could do. In the meantime the destitute officer to be communicated with to relieve Mrs. Quinn  for four weeks.
 
Interesting in regard to the family dynamics between mother and son; but also I’m curious about the orphan boy. Who was he, and what was he named? Is he of interest or importance in your search for Thomas Quinn’s background? Don’t have an answer – I am just thinking aloud.