Re: Hart family of Tipperary

[geraldine77]

Thankyou Neil -Luke was C of E on the passenger list for the Garland and I think the other list was wrong. They were married at St James in M. We have a story about the reason for them leaving Melbourne which is a bit different and comes from  the Palmer Diary could I send it to you by e-mail? I didn't know about the Mimmie Dike passage being free but thought that they paid  and were making a quick get-a-way after a fracas on the Bendigo goldfield.
I am interested in the info about Sarah- we had almost decided that Alrahan was not a factor and gave up searching it. I have never heard of the Griffith Valuation -this will tell you what an amateur I am!But Maggsie found Anne's baptismal details which proved her birth date for us and she must have really been 100 and eight days as claimed. I can give you my e-mail if you are interested in the reason for coming to NZ.

[Maggsie]

Hi All,
Trinoolie is Timoney.
I had a look back through my info. after I saw the message with Timoney Park.
I did a have a photo of the house. I must have deleted it, sorry.
If you go on your search engine and put Timoney Tipperary, it shows the area on the M7 (in blue) just South of Roscrea.
Maggsie

[geraldine77]

THanks Maggsie -Someone else  has suggested Tinderry from Griffiths Valuation I think. I have e-mailed the church at Roscrae to see if they do searches of records or can put me in touch with any Abrahams. I, m still not convinced about the Timoney Park link! Not that it matters a lot but we will keep trying

[Kensi]

Hi
I am descended from the Hart family from Roscrea Tipperary.
John Hart & Mary Evans (mentioned by Maggsie) are my GGG/Grandparents.
their daughter Priscilla, who married John McIlmun, is my GG/Grandmother, they emigrated to Australia in 1844.
Ciara

[maria101]

A long time since I started this but there is a family legend that Luke's mother, Sarah Hart was pregnant to a Hutchinson who lived next door. She then married a widower John Abraham and Luke originally John I think became Luke as Abraham already had a son called John. It seems an unlikely story but we can't prove it anyway now! I wonder if it was covering up for the Abraham surname with its jewish origins. I have just noticed he was Rc, not Cof E in the passenger list. If I ever come into money, I'll spend some of it getting a professional to sort it out -for now how much does it really matter!  By the wayI forgot to thank Maggsie for solving the Tinoolie mystery. geraldine77

[Maggsie]

Hi All,
After this popped up this morning I went back to searching...…
These Hart people listed...… check the names, looks like their brother William followed the girls to Australia.


HART   Catherine      1865   inft   Emly   William / Julia   Mother on board , father a   victualler in Sydney .   Ship =   General Caulfield
HART   Ellen      1863   18   Emly   William / Winifred - at Emly .   Paid for by sister = Mary Ha   rt , Brougham St , Sydney .   Ship =   Fairlie
HART   Julia      1865   24   Emly   James / Catherine FLEMING ,   F in Cork.Husband=William   Hart , a victualler of Sydney .   Ship =   General Caulfield
HART   Margaret      1859   20   Emly   William / Winifred - at Emly   Uncle = Kennedy O'BRIEN,   at Redfern .   Ship =   Nimroud
HART   William      1864   22   Emly   William / Winifred - at Emly .   Sisters = Margaret , Mary &   Ellen Hart in Sydney .Pd-Mary.   Ship =   Wanata

Looking at the trade that the above William had......Victualler, I searched for a death of a William Hart and found this...… he was 94 when he died in Emly and he was a Butcher.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06232/4783935.pdf
An Amy Holway  (the Grandaughter, present at the death)

Winnifred, the Mother died in 1869, the record image isn't listed but you can get it.

Name  WENIFRED HART
Date of Death  1869
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Tipperary
Deceased Age at Death 59
Returns Year  1869
Returns Quarter 2
Returns Volume No 8
Returns Page No 523

The infant Catherine in the ship list, her birth record
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03595/2325639.pdf

This is the site that I got the info from.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Church records for Catholics use this site...…….
https://registers.nli.ie/
This is William's Baptism, his Mother was Winnifred Brown, 2nd one down.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632709#page/26/mode/1up

Hope the above is a help.
Maggsie

[jamison]

Hello Chatters

Reawakened by the thread of today !!

Just want to ask if our 2 families are connected in some way or have l missed the connection.

Cheers

Jamison

[Maggsie]

Hi,
This maybe him...…...right hand page 9th line down.
James Hart of Daniel (Danl) Hart and Sally Elin   11th July 1828 Thurles.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632768#page/69/mode/1up

Not saying it is him but that is what I found.
Maggsie

[jamison]

Hi
Just a bit confused - as the thread mixes two Hart families - my original post and another.
I don’t see how one is connected to the other.
Cheers
Jamison