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Pennines
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Monday 18 January 21 12:48 GMT (UK) »
On the 1841 census ages of people over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, (or should have been) so Elizabeth could have been born between 1777 and 1781.
However if the information regarding her birth has come from other family trees, without any supporting evidence - I wouldn't necessarily trust them! It's a bit of a leap from a marriage in Bristol to a birth in Lancashire.
Do you have the names of the children born to John Tuson and Elizabeth Beasley by any chance? Sometimes the eldest daughter is named after the mother's mother -- which MAY
help in a 'blanket' search for the baptism of Elizabeth between approximately 1777 and 1781.
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seasider
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Monday 18 January 21 13:49 GMT (UK) »
I have John and Elizabeth's children as Martha born 1817 John 1819 Daniel 1822 and Joseph 1826. Martha was my 2nd Gr. Grandmother. Thinking about it there surely must have been other children as 1817 for the first is a long way after the marriage in 1798.
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Monday 18 January 21 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Yes - I agree it is very late to start having children after a marriage.
I have found a Charlotte Tuson born in 1810 to a John Tuson and Elizabeth 'Basely' in Great Yarmouth! (Family Search). With the mother's surname of 'Basely' - that could be a variant of Beasley.
With both Bristol and now possibly Great Yarmouth coming into it -- was John a Mariner or a Seafarer maybe? His occupation is not shown on the marriage nor on this particular baptism for Charlotte (which is also on Find My Past as a filmed Parish Record). He is not on the 1841 census - but may have died by then.
Where is Hercule Poirot when you need him!
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seasider
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Monday 18 January 21 15:37 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for this, it's most interesting and sounds as though it's them. I don't have John Tuson's occupation as he had died by 1841. Elizabeth is in Newbury in 1841 living with Joseph Tuson age 15 who I have taken to be her son? I am going to add Charlotte to my tree and see what else transpires.
Great work!
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Monday 18 January 21 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Don't forget that Joseph's age may have been rounded DOWN to 15. He could be between 15 and 19.
The enumerators in 1841 SHOULD have rounded down the age of everyone 16 and over to the nearest 5 years. Only the age of children under 15 should be shown correctly as their age on their last birthday.
(Sometimes Enumerators forgot this rule -- but you can tell when they did as the ages of adults should all end in a 5 or a 0 -- if they didn't - then the age shown was age last birthday and the Enumerator had forgotten the rule, This only applied to the 1841 census).
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Monday 18 January 21 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I found Joseph on a later census and there's 2 years difference, born 1824.
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Monday 18 January 21 19:09 GMT (UK) »
There is a Baptism for EllenTuson, parents John and Elizabeth Tuson, 28th Aug 1812. This means they were in Lancashire. All the areas they are connected too have ports, so maybe it was John's occupation where they met.
Pennines
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Tuesday 19 January 21 11:56 GMT (UK) »
This is SO weird.
The baptism you have found in 1812 is in Lancaster -- which is nowhere near the Ormskirk area. Again - the father's occupation is not given.
Lancaster is not on the coast either, so my previous thought that John may be a mariner following possible events in Bristol and Great Yarmouth doesn't fit in with this location.
I am completely stuck I'm afraid. I just cannot understand these locations for someone seemingly born in the Ormskirk area - then marrying in Bristol - having no children for several years - then travelling to other places including Lancaster.
Maybe follow each supposed child through marriage and census to see if anything helps.
I did see 2 burial records for a John Tuson in Newbury - where Elizabeth then was.
One died 1843 - birth year given as 1752 (so he should be on 1841 census)
One died 1831 - birth year given as 1782 (which - if it is your John Tuson, would mean he was only about 16 when he married)
Elizabeth's burial in 1848 gives her a birth year of 1774!
It's a real mystery at the moment and maybe we just don't have the correct Elizabeth.
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andrewalston
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Re: Ormskirk marriage 1771
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Tuesday 19 January 21 12:07 GMT (UK) »
Lancaster may not be "on the coast" now, but was a major port in the period concerned. As the Lune silted up, it was out-competed by Liverpool.
Tuson is another name common in Lancashire.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.
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