Samuel Sawyer - b. 1739 Shoreditch (burial 16th Dec 1827]

[rosie99]

John is the probably best person to answer that question, he seems to find things hiding in their records 

Personally I don't look at the trees or what they now class as the IGI as that also now contains member submissions, like all transcripts they need checking with originals. 

[jonwarrn]

https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search

That's the one. But don't forget the catalogue
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog

Always worth looking to see what they have for any location, and, if you are lucky, you might be able to view otherwise unindexed records at home.

I see that you have a Mary Bramley in your tree, and I have Bramleys from that area, weavers, also

[sawyerhja]

Thank you. Yes, Mary Bramley, for whom I have a mild brickwall. You may have noticed the Death/Burial records are a little vague/confusing. But then, the Registrar could only record what he was told....

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Could be one in St Giles in the Fields, February 1736 (1735/6)
Sawes as transcribed by ancestry, the end may be a bit cut off. Possibly is Sawer?
They give baptism date as 15 Feb
Samuell of Samuell & Mary Sawer
Born ye 8th

Also at St Giles, in June 1737
Thomas of Samuel & Mary Saweer (as transcribed) born June 18th

And 17 July 1739
John of Samuel & Mary Sawyer

[jonwarrn]

In London the only marriage possible I have so far is
10 February 1731/2, St Botoloph Bishopsgate
Samuel Sawier and Mary Gibbon
with licence

Not good on handwriting, Family Search have Samuel as Sawier, ancestry as Sawcer https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKD2-VMY

I don't know this is the correct marriage of course!

[sawyerhja]

Thank you. That might have been Samuel Sawyer's parents (I do have a Samuel and Mary) but the date may not fit. I will look at this further.

[jonwarrn]

I see that his burial record gives his year of birth as 1739.  But this would make him just 14 years old when his son was born.  Possible, I know, but is this very likely?

This still seems a big problem to me. And even if Samuel was born in 1736, he would only be 17.
Here is the transcript of the baptism at St Luke Old Street on FamilySearch
John Sawyer, father Saml, weaver, mother Ann
born 17 April
bap 25 April 1753
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNT-6WB4

We can see from the image of the PR (somewhat better on ancestry) that the baptism must have been the near the bottom of the page, again it is unreadable
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSF7-13ZC-2

Sadly those transcripts go back only to 1742, and are no help with the 1739 baptism of Samuel unknown!
John

[jonwarrn]

Could Samuel and Ann have come down from Manchester?
29 May 1746, Manchester
Sam Sawyer and Ann Laycock

EDIT I am taking out the rest re the Bramleys, fascinating though it was to me!

The burial and age given for Samuel certainly wouldn't fit with that.
Sorry, too much speculating.

[sawyerhja]

Thanks anyway, it's all grist to the mill.