William J. McKay - Glenarm Antrim - Deadend advice needed

[GeneCat]

Confused. Have been trying to find the 1879 military record you mentioned. Has taken a while, as it seems to be under a John McKay  (no other forename or initial), of Glenarm rather than a William John McKay, with NoK his cousin, Sarah Kelly.. Do you believe John is same person as William John McKay?

*Added, I see that  the 1911 census does have a John McKay, Glenarm with a wife Lucy, so is this your chap and why you believe William John and John are one and the same? Is he also the 1947 death in Gosport, Hampshire under John W McKay?

I know William John and John, are the same person because it is his granddaughter who I'm looking this information up for. She knew the names. She knew the town brought up/born in and also that he settled in Hampshire after coming out of the army and also his wife's name/surname. All confirmed by ordering the marriage certificate. Plus then the census returns for the couple also confirm that he was born NI.  William John is indeed going by his middle name in later life/census returns.   

One of the later army records, after he left original duties/sign up, and went back for territorial duties, it then says his next of kin is Lucy his wife in Hampshire, it is attached to orginal militiary record from 1879. He is also back on duty durying WWI for home duties. It all ties in. I'm 100% certain it is same person. Same man now living with a wife in Hampshire.

[GeneCat]

I too at first only found his original military papers, but later found him going back for territorial duties, then WWI, and it is the same person. They are attached. If you find it on ancestry and click on to what looks like a differnet person, few pages on, it is the same person but returned later in life for duties. If that makes sense. I stumbled across the later papers quite by accident.

[scotmum]

So, the full info on your chap that is now available (but wasn't  mentioned in your first post), to assist those trying to help you is (based on the swapping around and/or adding of names):

John McKay and no initials or other name on all military records
William John McKay on marriage record
John McKay and no initials or other name on Census
John McKay and middle initial W at death ?

Did he keep to a consistent version on the various birth records of his children?

[GeneCat]

So, the full info on your chap that is now available (but wasn't  mentioned in your first post), to assist those trying to help you is (based on the swapping around and/or adding of names):

John McKay and no initials or other name on all military records
William John McKay on marriage record
John McKay and no initials or other name on Census
John McKay and middle initial W at death ?

Did he keep to a consistent version on the various birth records of his children?

Apologies for not mentioning it in first post. To be honest it just didn't register me with to say because I've become so use to family members (in my own tree) using middle names in census returns etc and just in my head it was one and the same. He is indeed John W McKay on death index. (1947). I presume, I don't know, but presume like many that had same name as a parent they would be called by middle name often.

Once again sorry for any confusion.

[scotmum]

The Griffiths Valuation, which would be around time of the  believed Glenarm birth and could potentially include the father, as named in the 1890 marriage, William John McKay.

Unfortunately, it has no William McKay entries in either Glenarm Upper or Glenarm Lower, although as a possibility there is a William McCay recorded in Doonan townland, Glenarm Lower.

There was a Stewart McKay, son of an Alexander McKay, who was married and fathering children at Doonan in the 1860s (see http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~fremac/genealogy/ireland/pafg12.htm ).

[GeneCat]

The Griffiths Valuation, which would be around time of the Glenarm birth and could potentially include the father, named in the 1890 marriage, William John McKay. Unfortunately, it has no William McKay entries in either Glenarm Upper or Glenarm Lower, although as a possibility there is a William McCay recorded in Doonan townland, Glenarm Lower. There was also a Stewart McKay who was married and fathering children at Doonan in theb1860s (see http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~fremac/genealogy/ireland/pafg12.htm ).

Thank you very much for this.

[scotmum]

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[aghadowey]

I still haven't found any firm evidence of the father William McKay (with or without a possible wife Jane Boyd as per online family tree) but this might be worth making a note of in case it's the same family.

Mary McKay (c1851 Co.Antrim-aft.1911) m.(1870) William Earls (c1845 Co.Antrim-1905), plasterer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11399/8185784.pdf (bride's father William McKay, farmer)
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Pound_Street/996451/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05589/4570494.pdf
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Larne/Pound_Street/196436/ (8 ch./6 liv.)
Larne Times, 9 Feb.1924: …large circle of friends will hear with sincere regret …death of Mrs. Mary Earls, Pound Street, Larne, which took place on Friday last after a very brief illness. Mrs. Earls … age. but was excellent health and spirits till the Wednesday night … girl well over half-a-century ago … and has lived in the town ever since, being predeceased by her husband, Mr. William Earls, about eighteen years ago. The funeral took place Sunday, the place of interment being Glenarm Churchyard. …
Children:
1. Alexander Earls (1871 Glenarm-1873 Glenarm)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03278/2201182.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020691/7259863.pdf
2. Sara(h) Earls (1873 Glenarm-aft.1911), teacher
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03201/2173949.pdf (informant- Jane McKay)
3. William Earls (1875 Glenarm-1878 Pound St., Larne)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03094/2134528.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020515/7199111.pdf
4. Mary Earls (1875 Glenarm-aft.1911), milliner
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03094/2134528.pdf
5. John Earls (c1878 Glasgow-1927), watchmaker/jeweller or plasterer, m. Netta Beggs. Children: May, Edna, Eileen, William, Vera (may be others).
6. James Earls (1881 Pound St., Larne-aft.1911), plasterer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02809/2030665.pdf
7. Thomas Earls (1884 Pound St., Larne-aft.1911), plasterer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02684/1988620.pdf
8. Jane McCay Earls (1887 Pound St., Larne-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02575/1951956.pdf

[aghadowey]

I did find an extract in newspaper for a Jane McKay of Glenarm who died in 1929. GRONI's index gives her age as 90.
Belfast News-Letter, 11 Feb.1929: M'Kay—February 9, 1929, her residence … Street, Glenarm, Jane M Kay, age _ years. Funeral to Glenarm Churchyard to-day (Monday), at …

Probably this lady-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Glenarm/Altmore_Street/993924/
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Glenarm/Altmore_Street/193979/

Will Extract- McKay Jane of Altmore Street Glenarm county Antrim spinster died 9 February 1929 Administration Belfast 16 May to Hugh McKay motor driver. Effects £85.

This McKay family in Glenarm were also Unitarian and there's a young son Hugh-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Larne/Agnew_Street/196581/

Note that she was Non-subscribing Presbyterian then Unitarian and that the Earls were Methodists.