PARENTS OF EDWARD MAURICE HARVEY

[wivenhoe]

Evening News  26 Jul 1920 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/117712603?
...decree absolute.....William RYAN   V  Ivy Irene RYAN......

[wivenhoe]

Newcastle Sun  10 Oct 1919 p1
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162588834?searchTerm=Ivy%20Ryan
.....relating to divorce.........

BDM NSW birth
22260/1918  HILL John C      parents    -  / IVY I     Paddington

[majm]

What do you know about Kathleen RYAN?......widow?

This is Edna C(lare)  born  three months before the marriage. I suspect that Edward is not the father, but  this certificate might be useful for addresses....if Edward is around at the time.

BDM NSW birth   (9 Sep 1920)

26027/1920    CARDWELL   Edna C      parents  - / Ivy I           @ Sydney
26027/1920    HILL            Edna C      parents  - / Kathleen      @ Sydney
26027/1920    RYAN           Edna C      parents  - / Ivy I           @ Sydney

13337/1921    HARVEY       Edna C      parents  Edward M / Kathleen   @  Sydney
13337/1921    HILL            Edna C      parents       -        /  Kathleen   @  Sydney
13337/1921    RYAN           Edna C      parents       -        /  Kathleen   @  Sydney

BDM NSW
9413/1915 RYAN William      marr.  CARDWELL  Ivy I  @ West Maitland

Well found.

13337/1921 should be quite useful,    may make mention of a foster father.  In the years post WWI to commencement of formal civil adoptions with NSW Suoreme Court  orders etc,  NSW BDM sometimes used the word 'foster' to include a broad meaning as widespread as 'adopt' ...

I have a living ancient relative, born NSW pre 1920, so over 100 years of age ... a former NSW BDM ... he says from around 1908 to around 1925 there can be two registration numbers, so two separate certs with different info, for the one NSW birth.   I have shared that type of detail previously on other threads to help other quests for other RChatters....

JM

[sparrett]

While not really contributing to the origins of Edward Maurice, I will add these possibilities to wife Kathleen's story.

At her death as Kathleen HARVEY in 1977 it was stated parents Emma J and James. (#8302)

There was a birth around the right time-

CARDWELL. IVY A
Mother Emma J.
Father -
30298/1897
At CARCOAR

On her marriage certificate to Edward Maurice HARVEY, she states father James HILL, hotel keeper.

Emma CARDWELL possibly married in 1899 to Michael KEATING at ANNADALE (#7598).

She died in 1941
KEATING Emma Jane
7772/1941
Parents John & Kate
At PETERSHAM

This would account for the use of different surnames.

The use of Kathleen as her given name is open to questions.

At burial at Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park she was listed as Kathleen Mary HARVEY.

Sue

[wildcats13]

Regarding the past few posts re; Kathleen Ryan, I am fully aware of the issues noted, as I have been battling to sort them out for some time, I didn't mentioned them because they have no bearing on who were the parents of Edward Maurice Harvey.
However, since it has ben raised, Kathleen's mother was Emma Jane Cardwell, also known as Emily May. She had three known marriages to Alfred Nicholas Twiss, Michael Keating, John Leslie Fogarty, and Ivy Aileen (Kathleen) and Alice Frances Cardwell with unknown partners. Alice is registered three times with the same Reg. No. as Cardwell, Twiss and Fogarty.
When Ivy was born, Emma was associated with a James Hill but never married, so he is likely the father.
Kathleen used both names throughout her life. Following the divorce with William Ryan, she immediately married Edward Maurice. The father of Edna could be either Ryan or Harvey.
John Clive Ryan grew up with Edward and assumed the Harvey name as he grew up. 
A tangled web for another time.

[sparrett]

Your friend, his grand daughter, may have reached a point where the option of a DNA test could be considered.

Or has this already been done?

I feel if there is nothing of assistance  in QLD Archives after your planned search,  we have to give thought to the origins of  Edward Maurice being not as he states.

It is entirely possible a match will "pop up" to lead the way to another and unexpected path.

Sue

[wivenhoe]

"... I didn't mentioned them because they have no bearing on who were the parents of Edward Maurice Harvey..."

It is not possible to research one person in isolation from events and people in their lives, especially when you have so little to work with.

The earliest evidence you have that Edward Maurice HARVEY ever existed is his WW1 files....then marriage, 1920.

The birth certificate would give addresses....which might lead to a family connection.  If Edward names a daughter Edna Clare, these might be names that have meaning to him.......sister....mother.

Without identifying your friend's family.....what names does Edward give to his children?.   Any pattern to see?.....Irish names?......Scottish names?.......always two given names?

How attached is Edward to his second given name?   Always used on birth records for children?  Always used on electoral roll?

Did he belong to any clubs?......love gardening / reading........play a musical instrument?

Do you have a photo of Edward?.   Where is he buried?.  What is on the headstone?

Can you please list everything on his death certificate.

Interesting to compare his signature on the two WW1 files......and on the marriage certificate.

[Robert Coble]

Hi, I thank everyone for your great efforts so far and hope we can still find the right result.
Some comments on the reply's; Robert, Edward M was definitely born about 1888, and I am confident that he was born in Brisbane or in the region.
I am constantly talking with his granddaughter and she confirms he died in 1944, but has no knowledge about where he was born. I speak with confidence in saying that many people in that period were not outspoken in talking about family and their past. My family is a great example.
I have not had any success in searching for the Qld. BDM online, so I will try to get into the State Library and sift through the records, but will have to check as I am not sure if that is okay at the moment with Covid 19.

This is what I found on him died 1944 at the age of 55 that mack it b 1889
 HARVEY   Edward Maurice   
Death notice   26MAY1944   
Death   55    late of Matraville   
Sydney Morning Herald   29MAY1944

Death:Name:    Edward Maurice Harvey
Death Date:    1944
Death Place:    New South Wales
Father's Name:    Richard Maurice
Registration Year:    1944
Registration Place:    Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Number:    6796

Name:    Edward Maurice Harvey
Gender:    Male
Marriage Age:    32
Event Type:    Marriage
Birth Date:    abt 1888
Marriage Date:    24 Dec 1920
Marriage Place:    Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
The parish as it Appears:    Surry Hills St David
Father:    Edward Richard Harvey
Spouse:    Kathleen Ryan


Name:    Edward Maurice Harvey
Death Date:    1944
Cemetery:    Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place:    Matraville, Randwick City, New South Wales, Australia
Has Bio?:    N
URL:    https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Name:    Edward Maurice Harvey
Age:    28
Birth Year:    abt 1886
Birth Place:    Brisbane, Queensland
Dossier Year Range:    1914-1920
Enlistment Place:    Sydney, New South Wales
Service Number:    1488
Next of Kin:    Oliver James Page

[wivenhoe]

You need to see the death certificate, Edward Maurice HARVEY, 1944.

Contact the cemetery and ask who else is buried in  plot  0521.

Edward Maurice HARVEY married, 1920, and died 1944.......and your source of information is a grand daughter.....who never met him?

You need much more information from your friend about her grandfather, and accept that it is second hand information....not from her personal recall.


http://www.easternsuburbsmemorialpark.com.au/burials

Name:                           Edward Maurice HARVEY
Date of death:                N/A
Date of service:              29/05/1944
Type:                             Buried
Location:                        CA - Congregational FM A, CA - Congregational FM A, Position 0521


Name:                            Donald Bruce HARVEY
Date of death:                 N/A
Date of Service:              23/03/1937
Type:                              Buried
Location:                         CA - Congregational FM A, CA - Congregational FM A, Position 0522

Name:                            Edward Maurice   HARVEY
Date of Death:                N/A
Date of Service:              18/04/2001
Type:                             Cremated
Location:                        CA - Congregational FM A, CA - Congregational FM A, Position 0522


Name:                            Kathleen Mary Harvey
Date of death:                 N/A
Date of service:               15/04/1977
Type:                              Buried
Location:                        CA - Congregational FM A, CA - Congregational FM A, Position 0522


Donald Bruce HARVEY sounds rather Scottish.