Mystery Sands family member of Little Ilford

[MacGrigor]

Hello,

My 3x great-grandmother Mary Sands died at White Post Lane in Little Ilford in 1869. She was from central London. Her death was registered by an M. Sands. She had a daughter named Mary Ann, but she wasn’t in Essex at that time I don’t believe, as she had a daughter in Aldgate in early 1870. I can see a Maria Sands living in Ilford in 1891, whose husband John was from Manchester (like Mary’s husband was), but nothing else otherwise.

I’d appreciate any help!

Adam

Edit: I’ve just realised that John Sands was the son of Thomas Sands; Mary Sands and her husband were godparents to Thomas’ children and vice versa.

[JenB]

Her death was registered by an M. Sands. She had a daughter named Mary Ann, but she wasn’t in Essex at that time I don’t believe, as she had a daughter in Aldgate in early 1870.

I can't see any reason why it might not have been the daughter. Why would the fact that the daughter had a child in London in 1870 mean that she couldn't have been by her mother's side when she died in 1869?

[MacGrigor]

It’s possible, but Mary Ann always signed birth certificates M.A. Lipman so the fact it’s not M.A. Sands is a bit problematic.

[jonwarrn]

Hi
You know there is probate for Mary Sands, died 5 March 1869?
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=sands&yearOfDeath=1869&page=6#calendar

A will. Executors Richard William Leage the elder, and Richard Leage the younger.

A burial for her!
12 March 1869, City of London Cemetery
Mary Sands
residence White Post Lane Little Ilford
age 52 years
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1860-to-december-1869/register-015/1067728

[louisa maud]

Is this the family in 1861, probate mentions Gt Arthur St

24 Gt Arthur St St Lukes
William Sands 45 Picture framer born Lancs/Manchester
Mary              44     do                       do
Maria aged 14 fancy goods maker 
Mary 12
Henry 8

All siblings born St Luke

Louisa Maud

[jonwarrn]

Is this the family in 1861, probate mentions Gt Arthur St
24 Gt Arthur St St Lukes

And image on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3NH-4SX7

[MacGrigor]

Thanks for all of that both of you! Perhaps M. Sands was Maria Sands. I was sure there was a Maria, but didn’t have any details for her noted down like birth, baptism etc.

[jonwarrn]

Marriage of a Maria Sands to George Cosburn, 17 April 1869, East Ham.
Her father William Sands.
Tiny image
https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk//ancestry.aspx?id=1210571

Could that be the daughter from St Lukes?
And M Sands the informant on the death cert?

Perhaps M. Sands was Maria Sands.

Thinking on the same lines!

[louisa maud]

Possible death of William
1863 St Luke aged 46
ties in well with census 1861

What happened to the children ?

LM