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Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« Reply #45 on: Monday 27 November 23 19:02 GMT (UK) »
Some questions...
Why do you say Joan was the second wife of Robert Wilford?

Do we know anything about the ancestry of Robert Wilford (d. 1396)?

What record says Robert Wilford was alive 7 July 1396?

Are Elizabeth, wife of Robert Wilford, and Elsote the same person?  I had Elsote being the first wife of William Wilford. A sum of 3s. 8d. was paid to Exeter Cathedral between Michaelmas 1405 and Michaelmas 1406 for her tomb, probably in the cathedral, and a further sum of 26s. 8d. was paid in the same period by William Wilford 'for the tomb of his dead wife in the [cathedral] church' (D&C 2663).

Do you have any more info or records on the ancestry of John Faryngdon and his wife Elizabeth Wilford?  My own ancestry goes through them.


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Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 28 November 23 14:25 GMT (UK) »
1. Speculation, as there is no specific record. However Robert died aged c.71, 9 Nov 1476 (IPM), while Joan died 20 Oct 1513 (IPM) some 37 years later, very much suggesting a considerable age difference. Note also the “terminology” in Joan’s 2 IPMs which does not appear to reflect a grandmother/grandson relationship with William senior’s son, Peter (although these are official documents). Add to this the fairly clear indications, from surviving documentation (little in Devon, -note the 1490 deeds- but more re James and the London/Kent branches), that son William senior, was “differenced” to Robert’s other children (as per Robert’s Will) – note that daughter Julia, who married, as his 1st wife, John Kelly/Kelvelegh, had died by 1476. The various Visitations, London and Kent, virtually ignore the branch of William senior (unfortunately the Devon branch was extinct by the time of the earliest Devon Visitations). John Faringdon’s 1515 IPM does record William senior as a trustee, but he was in Devon, and the record of the 1551/53 Chancery Action between Thomas of Hartridge and Peter of Oxton merely states that they are grandsons of Robert.

2. Essentially nothing, apart from that recorded in Alice Lovecock’s grant 1375 (RTDA 1912, 44, p.511), see attached extract from my paper.

3. Unfortunately cannot readily find the source for 7 Jul 1396. The date is precise so doubtless relates to a specific document. I’ll keep searching.

4. I suspect that there is potential for either conflation or the fact that Robert’s widow was Elizabeth and William’s first wife also appears to have been Elizabeth (daughter of Walter Pollard). I have only seen partial printed transcripts of the D&C entries (which appear to overlap) and speculate that “Elsote” is a diminution/abbreviation “Elsbt”? in the original. There could well have been two “Elsote-s”, and further research into the chronology of these entries would I think be worthwhile.

5. As you have found, there are few records relating to John F. I attach two (self-explanatory) files on what I have re his immediate history/Wilford connection. I have additionally quite a bit of research on John and Elizabeth’s children and their marriages – Christopher, Charles (Stukeley, Walrond,plus  children), Mary (Wadham, plus children), Margaret (Barnes, Dunch), Grace (Paget, Sharington).

I would be happy to email my research to you (to enable you to pick through it at leisure) should you contact me direct via the Rootschat system.

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Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 28 November 23 14:26 GMT (UK) »
Further to my previous post, herewith the third attachment

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Re: Wilford, Wilforde, Wylford, Wilsford, Wyllesford, Willesford
« Reply #48 on: Saturday 11 January 25 22:48 GMT (UK) »
I realise this topic is over a year old but if Mohun is still active on the forum I have a query regarding the Wilford/Wilsford family - specifically about the tenements etc in Broadgate Exeter - which they might be able to help with.