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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 08 December 20 03:46 GMT (UK) »
I don't think there was a George ROME either.
But there will likely be some aspects of the information Ivy gave about him which are true.

I would say he was quite possibly a 40 year old farmer of Burnie.

ROME is not a surname that would spring to mind to invent, so possibly some element in the name George ROME will be based in fact.

However, too cryptic for me!! 

I have a descendant who lied on the birth certificate of an ex-nuptial child, but the initials for the invented man were the same as the real father.

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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 08 December 20 08:37 GMT (UK) »
All I can say is WOW!
And the biggest thankyou to everyone who has contributed to helping solve the mystery of who Alma was and wasn't!  ;D

This has been an amazing journey since March this year when my father died.
Amongst his personal effects we found some very basic hand written notes that he'd been given by his sister many years ago.
In the notes I found for the first time, the name of my Great Grandfather......James Ralph Matthews and his wife Lillian (nee Tiffen).

I grew up only knowing my father's 2 siblings and their kids (my 9 cousins) and his parents, my Nan and Pop.

I knew of no one else. And no one talked about anyone else.

After my father died, my first hint of other family was a 1909 school photograph of Ridgley School, Tasmania, with 3 Matthews children, Walter Clem my grandfather being one of them and his sisters Violet and Nellie.

In my search to find more about James Ralph and Lillian, I came upon a search for the same couple that had been in cyberspace for 20 years!
Through this I met my new cousin Mandy, Granddaughter of Violet, who was looking for her Great Grandparents parents all those years ago.

I felt like I'd gained another sister.

We then found that we matched via DNA to 2 other cousins. And connecting with them was like finding another 2 sisters. They are the Grandaughters  of Amy Ellen.

And while we were trying to figure out how these 2 new cousins were connected to our family, we found another 2, which were twins. They were searching for their paternal birth family.

So while we all connected privately and tried to figure out how we all fitted together, and the search for 'Alma' was taking place, we had worked out how the twins fitted into our family.
They were descended from another of James and Lillian's children.

So tonight we are all a bit overjoyed and very much overwhelmed at the legacy that James and Lillian have left us.....

And very grateful to you all,

Thank you to everyone on behalf of us all,

Peg   ;D
MATTHEWS James Ralph,TAS,Broken Hill,Wilcannia NSW,Australia.
TIFFEN Lillian,Castlemaine VIC,Wilcannia NSW, Australia
FURMSTON Ellesmere, Shropshire,ENG.
PERKINS Frank, Leicester, ENG. before 1930

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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 08 December 20 21:28 GMT (UK) »
A wonderful story Peggle.

It is great to hear how the DNA path has led to happy outcomes and joyful discoveries for you. :)
Sue
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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 08 December 20 22:42 GMT (UK) »
Yes,  Exactly So.  Sue has snatched my words out from my finger tips.   

I think this has been one of the best outcomes on this board for many years. 

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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 09 December 20 02:40 GMT (UK) »
Sue and JM,

It is absolutely amazing and there are smiles all around here with 4 new cousins now knowing where they fit  :)
Thank you doesn't seem enough  8)

I was looking for George Rome from Burnie last night.....
Strangely, the name Horne popped up, seemingly a more common name than Rome.

Rome/Horne.......
Horne??
Could this be the father's name that's written on the birth document for Ellen Amy?
Looking at the handwriting it could easily be Horne.....

I'm sorry but I can't get to that reply to quote it....

Peg
 
MATTHEWS James Ralph,TAS,Broken Hill,Wilcannia NSW,Australia.
TIFFEN Lillian,Castlemaine VIC,Wilcannia NSW, Australia
FURMSTON Ellesmere, Shropshire,ENG.
PERKINS Frank, Leicester, ENG. before 1930

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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 09 December 20 02:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Peggle,

No I am sorry to disagree with you, but I do not see the name as possibly HORNE.

Maybe there will be another DNA discovery for you one day as other descendants of the man make an appearance.

Perhaps he was George someone or Mr GEORGE from Romaine, nearby to Ridgley. ::)

Sue 
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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 09 December 20 03:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sue,
That's perfectly ok.
Peg  8)
MATTHEWS James Ralph,TAS,Broken Hill,Wilcannia NSW,Australia.
TIFFEN Lillian,Castlemaine VIC,Wilcannia NSW, Australia
FURMSTON Ellesmere, Shropshire,ENG.
PERKINS Frank, Leicester, ENG. before 1930

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Re: Where is Alma Matthews and how does she fit into our Matthews family tree?
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 09 December 20 04:23 GMT (UK) »
At reply 13, and that wonderful cert, as a PDF ...

Column 2 ... I wonder why the Registrar has a) mentioned Burnie, Tasmania in that column  and b) what is the squiggle written in that column, left hand  corner ... and c) what does that squiggle mean

Columns 5, 6, 7  so the informant was experienced and knew tto ask the mum ... when and where was she married,  who to, his occupation, age, where born,  and same for Ivy, her nee name with double t, and lace of birth ...

So column 7 has ROME, definitely capital R ... compare with B in Burnie and Broken and with H as in Hill

Column 8 is informant's handwriting, I believe all the rest is Edward Glennon, registrar.  Baby born 17th, birth registered very next day...

If not ROME, it is RO   E

it is possible that the Informant provided the apparently speculative info about baby's dad but I doubt it  as she gave the correct info about baby's mum's birth ... ....

When I zoom in just  before the pixel thingy messes it up  I can almost see RONIE or ROUSE or ROWE in  col.5 surname, but only ROME in col 7 surname.

My ancient retired NSW bdm rellies say it is ROME clearly as per col 7. 

JM  one finger typing ...  :D :D lace of birth ... a grand oops ... place. 
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