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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #54 on: Friday 27 November 20 11:39 GMT (UK) »
There is also this family but the age is out re Helen/Ellen

1881 84/53/4
Charles and Margaret Doherty with children Charles 9 yrs and
Catherine 4 yrs b Chelsea
Helen 1 yr born Chelsea

GRO shows mother as Healey - Ellen Dorthey

In 1891 727/38
There is a Catherine M Dogherty  b 1879 Chelsea in the Children’s Convalescent Home, Grosvenor Place, Margate.
Looking this up, it seems to have been run by the Daughters of the Cross.

(Nellie’s statement gives this order of nuns)
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #55 on: Friday 27 November 20 11:40 GMT (UK) »
In 1901 when with the Pritchards in Margate she is listed as Nellie Dougherty (?) and shown born Chelsea (?).   

This might possibly be her trail, possibly had a sister Catherine, but is it our Nellie Doughty :-\ Really don't know.
Both are a bit older on these records....
1881 in Chelsea are Catherine Doherty, 4, and Nellie Doherty, 1
Parents Charles, 31, and Margaret, 27. Also there is Charles, 9

Birth registrations?
DOHERTY, CATHERINE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: HEALEY
GRO Reference: 1877  D Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 318
 
DORTHEY, ELLEN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: HEALEY 
GRO Reference: 1880  J Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 371

Then we have the girls in the workhouse schools system, Chelsea
Catherine in 1884, Ellen in 1889 (mother Margaret Healey, workhouse)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1R-Q9MM-J

(Better image in those London poor law records on ancestry (Kensington and Chelsea / Chelsea / Register of Children / Schools and Children, 1885-1896 / Image 305)

They were discharged to Totteridge
And that is St Edward's School, which is further on in the book (image 353 on ancestry)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1R-Q9MM-F

Girls discharged to Lawn House, Margate. Catherine in 1891, Ellen in 1892
Could this  be the Convent of the Daughters of the Cross? :-\

Ellen was there five and half years, before going to into service in 1898
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31537_215001-00356?backlabel=Return

Kensington and Chelsea / Chelsea / Register of Children / Schools and Children, 1885-1898 / Image 357
Yet to find it on FamilySearch :(

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #56 on: Friday 27 November 20 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Just beaten to it by heywood! ;D

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #57 on: Friday 27 November 20 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Jon, you have given a lot more detail than me but backs up my finds - posted just before you  ;)
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #58 on: Friday 27 November 20 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Lawn House is the Daughters of the Cross - Grosvenor Place

I’m off to collect our groceries now, Jon  ;)
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #59 on: Friday 27 November 20 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Lawn House is the Daughters of the Cross - Grosvenor Place

That is promising. Well done!
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #60 on: Friday 27 November 20 11:55 GMT (UK) »
So Ellen (Nellie) should be Totteridge in 1891.

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #61 on: Friday 27 November 20 12:04 GMT (UK) »
This could be her in Totteridge in 91
Ellen Dogherty, 10
No place of birth given
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q6CF-33Z

Doghouly on ancestry.

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #62 on: Friday 27 November 20 12:16 GMT (UK) »
Maybe Charles snr's death?
Deaths Jun 1882 
Dogherty    Charles    32    Chelsea    1a   212
[age 31 in 1881]

And parents' marriage
Marriages Dec 1871 
Doherty    Charles        Kensington    1a   340    
Healy    Margaret        Kensington    1a   340   

Joslin    Eliza        Kensington    1a   340    
Mogford    William        Kensington    1a   340

ADDED: On ancestry there's a workhouse admission of a Charles Doherty aged 24 [Strand] 3 Jul 1895 Dead 28 Nov 1895 - could be Charles jnr.
Deaths Dec 1895 
Doherty    Charles    24    Pancras    1b   30
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON