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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 26 November 20 23:50 GMT (UK) »
That’s brilliant Jon - sister Kate Hicks too  :)
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #37 on: Friday 27 November 20 01:03 GMT (UK) »
In luck! Pat on the back for myself here (sorry!), first time I've managed to find one in those 19,945 images!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a014964-00579?ssrc=&backlabel=Return

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Islington / Islington / Settlement Papers / Settlement Examinations, 1892-1917 / Image 580

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #38 on: Friday 27 November 20 01:56 GMT (UK) »
Maybe the birth certificate was not the correct one? why would it have been ordered in 1937?

It does seem that this is what has happened, Nellie had the wrong birth certificate.

Debra  :D

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #39 on: Friday 27 November 20 02:25 GMT (UK) »
Maybe the birth certificate was not the correct one? why would it have been ordered in 1937?

It does seem that this is what has happened, Nellie had the wrong birth certificate.

Debra  :D

I'm so confused. The 1939 Register gives Nellie's d.o.b. as 22 May 1878. Wouldn't she have known her birth date prior to ordering it in 1937? Meaning, even if she ordered it for some reason unknown to us in 1937, if it was for the wrong girl, born on the wrong date, why would she have used the same d.o.b. in 1939? Or is the thinking that there were two Nellie Doughtys born on that date in the London area?

An obit and/or cemetery record might come in handy.
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #40 on: Friday 27 November 20 02:42 GMT (UK) »
I don't think she knew who she was.  She was at school in a convent from the age of 11 and then in service.  She thought she was born c1883 and she is aged 19 in 1901 when she was with the PRITCHARDs.

I'm so confused. The 1939 Register gives Nellie's d.o.b. as 22 May 1878. Wouldn't she have known her birth date prior to ordering it in 1937? Meaning, even if she ordered it for some reason unknown to us in 1937, if it was for the wrong girl, born on the wrong date, why would she have used the same d.o.b. in 1939?

I would say she had a search done and this was the only birth they could find.

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« Reply #41 on: Friday 27 November 20 04:51 GMT (UK) »
I would say we are talking 2 different Nellie Doughty's, one of whom is a Catholic.

The Nellie born 1878 Poplar is with her widowed mother in 1911 whereas Catholic Nellie is working as a servant in Ramsgate,Kent which ties in with the information found by jonw65. 

Nellie bc.1882/3 had a sister 'Kate Hicks' (the Poplar Nellie had no sister named Kate or any variation thereof).

William Ernest Hicks married Katherine Cecilia Doughty in 1904 Hendon.   No marriage details available online suggesting register office or Catholic service.

In 1901 when with the Pritchards in Margate she is listed as Nellie Dougherty (?) and shown born Chelsea (?).   Where was her sister in 1901 I wonder?

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #42 on: Friday 27 November 20 05:10 GMT (UK) »
If I've identified the right listing for William Ernest Hicks and his wife Catherine Hicks in 1911, Catherine's birthplace is listed as unknown.
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #43 on: Friday 27 November 20 08:54 GMT (UK) »
There is this Kate but if it is her, not much help.
1891 97/156

Kate Dowty 12 yrs born London is in a ‘Home for Waifs and Strays’ in St Marylebone’.
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« Reply #44 on: Friday 27 November 20 09:58 GMT (UK) »
Great work jon & all; all beginning to come together. I agree that Nellie [mother of Cecilia] somehow got hold of the wrong birth certificate & assumed the birthdate. Overnight I was wondering whether Katherine & Nellie were born in Ireland & had determined to look for them there!! But overnight you've all been putting together the clues already provided & finding others. I think we're nearly there.

As Josephine says, it seems Kate did not know where she was born, so maybe the sisters were orphans or abandonned?

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Names father of her child.
Also says 'I expect confinement Sept next'.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON