Mystery not who you say you are

[josey]

Maybe the birth certificate was not the correct one? why would it have been ordered in 1937? Do you have the 1916 marriage certificate? Who did Nellie say her father was?

[Caitie777]

I can’t remember now but I’m pretty sure it just said deceased. It won’t let me upload attachments because they’re all too big.

The informant on the 1918 death certificate Jane Doughty is listed as living at the same address given on that death cert in 1911.
It’s definitely the same Jane and Thomas Doughty family. It just so odd it’s like she turned up in 1910 in the workhouse and gave fake details.

[josey]

I can’t remember now but I’m pretty sure it just said deceased. It won’t let me upload attachments because they’re all too big.

You should only post clips or snippets fro copyright reasons. It should say father's name even if it also says deceased.

It seems William E Hicks wsa married before Nellie, to a K[C]atherine Cecilia Doughty who died in 1915
Marriages Sep 1904   
Doughty    Katherine Cecilia        Hendon    3a   595    
Hicks    William Ernest        Hendon    3a   595   
Robison    Isabel Thompson        Hendon    3a   595    
Wright    Charles        Hendon    3a   595

1911 show Catherine age 31, son born 1906 MMN Doughty.

Deaths Mar 1915 
Hicks    Catherine C    34    Fulham    1a   464

However I can find no C[K]athe[a]rine Cecilia Doughty born 1880 +- 2 yrs.
Births Dec 1879 
DOUGHTY    Catherine Marion        Luton    3b   430    
Births Jun 1881 
Doughty    Catherine Adelaide        Lincoln    7a   548    
Doughty    Catherine Emily        Bethnal Green    1c   163     S
Births Dec 1883 
DOUGHTY    Catherine        Manchester    8d   243

ADDED: I see 'Nellie age 27' in 1910 was discharged from St John's Road, Islington to Isle of Thanet Workhouse

[Josephine]

My suggestion would be that you question each one of your assumptions individually and then prove or disprove each one.

If the birth record was found in your g-g-grandmother's effects, that would suggest it was hers.

Perhaps the online trees have conflated two separate people.

Given names or nicknames like Jane and Nellie are common; it's not impossible that more than one female in a family or household shared a given name or nickname.

Regards,
Josephine

[josey]

The informant on the 1918 death certificate Jane Doughty is listed as living at the same address given on that death cert in 1911.

That just confirms that the 1918 death is most likely of the 1878 birth to Thomas & Jane. The birth certificate issued in 1937 could have been a guess at GRO reference of identity by whoever ordered it.

It’s definitely the same Jane and Thomas Doughty family.

What makes you so sure?

ADDED: Crossed posts with you Josephine. I agree, question everything.....

[Josephine]

If you have your great-grandmother's actual birth record from 1910, and the date and location and mother's name and fact of illegitimacy all match the record from the workhouse, then it would seem to be the same person.

If, in fact, that is the same mother and child in the workhouse record, your question as to why she would lie about her age is one that you will probably never be able to answer.

Regards,
Josephine

[Caitie777]

Hi Josephine,
Thanks for helping me I really appreciate it.

This info below is really interesting because my great grandmother nellies daughter was called Cecilia Doughty. William Hicks wasn’t a very nice man he abused my grandmother when she was young. I can’t get my head around that he was married to a women called Cecilia doughty before marrying Nellie in 1916
It seems William E Hicks wsa married before Nellie, to a K[C]atherine Cecilia Doughty who died in 1915
Marriages Sep 1904   
Doughty    Katherine Cecilia        Hendon    3a   595     
Hicks    William Ernest        Hendon    3a   595   
Robison    Isabel Thompson        Hendon    3a   595     
Wright    Charles        Hendon    3a   595

1911 show Catherine age 31, son born 1906 MMN Doughty.

Deaths Mar 1915 
Hicks    Catherine C    34    Fulham    1a   464

However I can find no C[K]athe[a]rine Cecilia Doughty born 1880 +- 2 yrs.
Births Dec 1879 
DOUGHTY    Catherine Marion        Luton    3b   430     
Births Jun 1881 
Doughty    Catherine Adelaide        Lincoln    7a   548     
Doughty    Catherine Emily        Bethnal Green    1c   163     S
Births Dec 1883 
DOUGHTY    Catherine        Manchester    8d   243

ADDED: I see 'Nellie age 27' in 1910 was discharged from St John's Road, Islington to Isle of Thanet Workhouse

[josey]

If you have your great-grandmother's actual birth record from 1910, and the date and location and mother's name and fact of illegitimacy all match the record from the workhouse, then it would seem to be the same person.
If, in fact, that is the same mother and child in the workhouse record, your question as to why she would lie about her age is one that you will probably never be able to answer.

Do you not think it may have been her name she lied about when she entered the workhouse & afterwards stuck to that name?

1911 baby Cecilia is a nurse child in Thanet, where is Nellie?

[Josephine]

You'd have to purchase those records to see if/how they were all connected.

I've seen cases in which a widower married his deceased wife's sister, so this could be a possibility. But you'd want to check the husband's name, occupation and father's name on both marriage records to prove it's the same guy.

Have you traced the family back in the census records? This info might help you sort out who's who.

Regards,
Josephine