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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #63 on: Friday 27 November 20 12:27 GMT (UK) »
Maybe Charles snr's death?
Deaths Jun 1882 
Dogherty    Charles    32    Chelsea    1a   212
[age 31 in 1881]

Margaret (widow), Kate and Ellen Doherty go into the Chelsea workhouse, 15 Feb 1884
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-WQ3J-Y

Well done for finding that marriage, I thought there wasn't one! Why did it say Ellen's mother was Margaret Healey on the school records?

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #64 on: Friday 27 November 20 12:29 GMT (UK) »
I've made an addition to previous post with possible Charles jnr's death. Wonder where he is in 1891?
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #65 on: Friday 27 November 20 12:44 GMT (UK) »
Oh great finds  :)
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #66 on: Friday 27 November 20 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Marriage  certificate of Charles & Margaret would be useful.....

Kate's son died in 1982.
Deaths Dec 1982 
HICKS    FRANK WILLIAM E    8JE1906    I O W    20   1966
Would be worth Caitie777 trying to find descendants. Address on probate 26 Colombus Hse, Sandown Road, Shanklin.

A quick browse of freebmd shows that Frank married in 1932, had a son born 1943 who married in 1983, 2 daughters born I O W 1984, 1985. Who knows they may be interested in hearing from descendants of Kate's sister.

ADDED: I have pm'ed Caitie with names.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #67 on: Friday 27 November 20 13:22 GMT (UK) »
I thought Charles Jr poss died in 1885  :-\

Charles Doherty Age 12
1885 March Qtr J    Brentford Vol 3a Page 41

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #68 on: Friday 27 November 20 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Wow I’m not being rude not replying I’m just trying to take all this in.

Can I just go back to the 1911 census. I did think it was odd Catherine said birthplace unknown but also her birth year would be 1880. The Catherine and Ellen on the school records etc is a different birth year?

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #69 on: Friday 27 November 20 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Ah maybe he was in an orphanage in Brentford? Only the death certs can sort it out although even those may not state father or mother.

Caitie - it seems neither sister know much about their origins/birth dates & place. I have to say I am intrigued by the name Cecilia, wonder if the girls used it as a tribute to someone they knew? Or was it a baptismal name given in the RC church?
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #70 on: Friday 27 November 20 13:38 GMT (UK) »
I wondered if it was a confirmation name and they both took whilst in the home.
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Re: Mystery not who you say you are
« Reply #71 on: Friday 27 November 20 13:40 GMT (UK) »
Ah yes, that's the correct term & occasion, thanks.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON