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Re: Christiana Innes
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 03 December 20 16:26 GMT (UK) »
I have more information to supply.
Good. Please supply it.

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #55 on: Thursday 03 December 20 19:21 GMT (UK) »
I agree that Farfarian has done all this work and was a great help in trying to find my family. As she said its been 15 years since and have moved on to MY DIRECT LINKS TO MY FAMILY.
I have now changed William ( younger ) Innes to William ( Junior ) Innes. I thought that we had moved past this.
If I have insulted Ann with an e SORRY.
I have now been working on the Family of William ( elder ) Innes now changed to William ( Senior ) Innes who married Elizabeth McDonald.
So far we found Alexander Innes, Christina Innes, William ( Junior ) Innes. My point of view these are confirmed links. I have two more links.

If this is not sufficient I don't know what you want

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #56 on: Thursday 03 December 20 19:45 GMT (UK) »
What I want is to be helpful. None of your Innes forebears are related to me and I have no other motive.

If I (or anyone else) should ask a question, it's not to 'help me/us', or for idle curiosity, but to try to clarify some point of other to help YOU get the right answers.

I would point out that the baptisms in the 16-year-old e-mail which I scanned and posted here are your direct relatives, so frankly you have not moved on all that far in 16 years.

If the chart posted by GR2 is correct (a very big if!), then the family of William Innes and Penuel Innes is also related to you. I only looked at them originally because you said they were yours, and that is the only reason why I had the charts I posted earlier in this thread.

You did not offend me (until you used the expression 'Ann with an e', but let that pass). What is far worse, however, is that you disappointed me by your failure to acknowledge or react to so much of the information, and photographs, that I have sent you both privately and on this and other forums over the last 16 years or so.

Now, if we can stop trading insults and get back to the matter in hand, why don't you look back in this thread and answer, if you can, the questions posed by me, and Rosinish, and others?


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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #57 on: Thursday 03 December 20 20:08 GMT (UK) »
1) William and Penuel are indirect links to my family
2) William ( younger ) Innes is my direct links to my IMMEDIATE FAMILY.
3) William ( younger ) Innes is now William ( Junior ) Innes
4) William ( Junior ) Innes  married twice a) Margaret Grant and Janet Cameron.

Therefore Item 2,3 and 4 are my DIRECT LINKS to my family
You mentioned that you wanted to discuss the family of William ( Junior ) Innes and Janet Cameron. If you wish we can do that at a later date not now. After we are finished with the links to William ( Senior ) Innes


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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 05 December 20 18:54 GMT (UK) »
I have had a look at the charts that GR2 sent, and annotated them. I'm afraid that they do contain enough actual errors (by which I mean statements that are at variance with primary records) to make me regard the whole document as unreliable.

I couldn't make any sense of the numbering system except that I think people with the same numbers are probably supposed to be siblings. I sorted them so that people with the same numbers are grouped together.

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18.3.Alexander in Corries of Tomnavoulin, Glenlivet ca 1650-post 1672

19.1.Andrew in Corries of Tomnavoulin (ca 1700, 1720-) m Helen Brown
19.1.Andrew in Corries of Tomnavoulin (ca 1700,1720-) m Helen Brown T&C 61 Marriage not in OPR or RC records

20.1.John
20.1.John (see below)

20.2.William in Kearn by Tomnavoulin (ca 1730,1750) m Penuel Grant
20.2.William in Kearn by Tomnavoulin (ca 1730,1750) m (presumed) Penuel Grant T&C 61 Marriage not in OPR or RC records

21.1.William younger in Kearn, after in Sluggan (b ca 1760) m 1806 Janet Grant Marriage not in OPR or RC records
21.1.William younger in Kearn, after in Sluggan (b ca 1760 1777/8 ) m (1) 1807 Margaret Grant T&C 61; OPR Inveravon
21.1 William m (2) 1814 Janet Cameron T&C 61
21.1.Christine by George Innes (shoemaker in Aberlour) Is this George, natural son of James Innes yr in Achmore and Christiana Innes in Kearn, b 1810? If so, is this Christiana the future wife of Charles Stuart? 

21.2.David in Kearn m Anne Innes Marriage not in OPR or RC records. But William son of David and Anne Inneses in Kearn was baptised 5 April 1807
21.2.Penuel born 1779/80 died 1864 parents John Innes and Isabella MacBain m William Innes in Easter Corries

21.3.Alexander in Kearn b 1773/1774 died 1861, mother Elizabeth McDonald m Elizabeth Stewart in 1818
21.3.William in Easter Corries of Tomnavoulin in Glenlivet m 1807 Penuel Innes T&C 70 Census suggests this William was b 1780/1781. He was married the same year as William Innes yr in Kearn married Margaret Grant so they are contemporaries, not brothers (unless William Innes elder named two children William in quick succession).

21.4.James b1776/1777 d 1839 in Muir of Croftbain m Barbara ? Barbara Stewart

21.5.William (natural) b.1780 shoemaker in Rathven? (see below)

22.1.John b.1807 liv 1854 T&C 70 Baptism not in OPR or RC records
22.1.Alexander b.1808 T&C 61; OPR Inveravon
22.1.Christian m 1821 Charles Stuart T&C 61; OPR Inveravon probably sister not daughter of William younger in Kearn
22.1.John b 1820 by Anne Grant T&C 61 John b 1820 was the lawful son of William Innes and Janet Cameron. There were 2 John Inneses with mother Ann* Grant, one in 1762 and one in 1851 – see OPRs
22.1.Isobel b.1812 m ? 1834 William Richardson in Balliemulloch and d 1897 T&C 70

22.2.William 1822-1900 sometime in Craighead of Kearn m (1) Margaret Grant T&C 62
22.2.William in Easterton of Glenlivet 1808-1880 m 1846 Helen Grant T&C 70; OPR
Inveravon

22.3 William mason at Glenlivet m (2) 1859 30 Sep 1860 Margaret Shaw, T&C 62
22.3.Alexander b.1809 T&C 70

22.4.John (illegitimate) b 1800 legitimated by parents subsequent marriage T&C 70 had an illegitimate daughter Isabella 1845/6 by Elspet Stuart

23.1.William b.1850 (illegitimate) T&C 61 Is this the one who is listed as nephew in 1851 and grandson in 1861 of Alexander Innes, soldier?
23.1.Mary OPR names her as Margaret b.1851 m Alexander Mitchell grieve at Aberlour Home farm T&C 62
23.1.Donald b.1864 m twice dsp Melbourne, Australia T&C 62
23.1.George in Easterton in Corries of Glenlivet 1846-1918 burgess Kirkmichael m 1900 M.S.
daughter of Burness Margaret Ann Burness T&C 70
23.1.Elspeth b.1852 1851 T&C 70
23.1.Alexander (illegitimate by Sophia Middleton) b.1837 T&C 70; OPR Inveravon

23.2.Jessie housekeeper to Sir Gordon Cunard at Hastings T&C 62
23.2.William of Tomnamuidh, Dufftown, manager Glendullan distilliery b.1866 m (1)1893
Margaret Foster Maggie Kellas) T&C 62
23.2.William 1848-1860 T&C 70
23.2.Penuel b.1854 m ? Andrew Rose and d 1938 in Dufftown T&C 70
23.2.John (illegitimate by Jane Bremner) T&C 70; OPR Inveravon

23.3.Margaret b 1851 dsp age 21 T&C 62; OPR Inveravon
23.3.John carpenter Croftbain b 1868 1 May 1870 m Helen Stephen T&C 62
23.3.Jane (by Anne Nicolson) b.1838 T&C 70; OPR Inveravon

23.4.William (by Margaret Burgess) b.1839 T&C 70; OPR Inveravon

24.1.Edwin b 1907 manager McDonalds Tobacco factory, Montreal, Canada m Lisa
Brunel T&C 62
24.1.Mary Margaret Shaw m John Steel, Inverness T&C 62
24.1.John b.1868 resided Detroit m Marjorie ? T&C 62
24.1.Penual Mary "Elma" b 1901 m Dr. Chitty, London T&C 71
24.1.Margaret (natural daughter) m William MacDonald farm servant T&C 70

24.2.Margaret Helen, b 1909 teacher, Aberdeen T&C 71



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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 05 December 20 18:59 GMT (UK) »
2) William ( younger ) Innes is my direct links to my IMMEDIATE FAMILY.
3) William ( younger ) Innes is now William ( Junior ) Innes
4) William ( Junior ) Innes  married twice a) Margaret Grant and Janet Cameron.
You keep repeating these statements, but you have not produced any EVIDENCE to support them, in spite of being asked several times.

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 05 December 20 20:20 GMT (UK) »
23.1.William b.1850 (illegitimate) T&C 61 Is this the one who is listed as nephew in 1851 and grandson in 1861 of Alexander Innes, soldier?

I think this is the William Innes baptised 8-3-1850 to John Innes and Ann Grant. Probably illegitimate; certainly no record of the parents' marriage and no other children born to them. The original meaning of nephew was grandson, and you do still see it used that way in the middle of the 19th century, so the William in the 1851 and 1861 censuses are the same person.

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 05 December 20 20:30 GMT (UK) »
Based on your new list I agree that information on the list that many of us got from the Aberdeen people leeaves alot to be true.
 Why was the wedding of William Innes and Elizabeth McDonald not shown in their list??
In their list I found in the wedding section of this list the wedding of William Innes and Elizabeth McDonald who I now show as William ( Senior ) Innes and Elizabeth McDonald
I will now go to your list and answer your questions.
Today or tomorrow.
That's the Anne I know
William in Montreal

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #62 on: Saturday 05 December 20 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Lets start on your list.
Item 21.1 William ( younger ) Innes is now William ( Junior ) Innes in Kearn after Sluggan
               a) married Margaret Grant 1807
               b) married Janet Cameron 1814

               Christine by George Innes , Shoemaker in Aberlour. This is true

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