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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 29 November 20 19:54 GMT (UK) »
William ( younger ) Innes did marry Margaret Innes on the 16 Aug.1806 and it states the following:
August 16, 1806
William Innes junior in Kearn and Margaret Grant.
I do not know when margaret Grant died but the IGI  shows only the birth of Alexander Innes born 10 Jan.1808.
The others that the IGI shows is that of a Penuel Innes which is your family not mine.

This now tells me that William Innes junior in Kearn is now known as William ( younger ) Innes therefore son of William ( elder ) Innes.
I will now show 3 more names who were children of William ( elder )

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 29 November 20 22:09 GMT (UK) »
William ( younger ) Innes did marry Margaret Innes on the 16 Aug.1806 and it states the following:
August 16, 1806
William Innes junior in Kearn and Margaret Grant.
I do not know when margaret Grant died but the IGI  shows only the birth of Alexander Innes born 10 Jan.1808.
This now tells me that William Innes junior in Kearn is now known as William ( younger ) Innes therefore son of William ( elder ) Innes.
Yes, but how do you know with 100% certainty that it was the same William Innes who married Janet Cameron? There could easily have been two William Innes (younger)s amongst all the proliferation of William Inneses.

None of the Inneses are mine, incidentally, not even the family of Penuel Innes. As far as I know I am not related to any of them.
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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 29 November 20 22:20 GMT (UK) »
Have a nice day. Take care.

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #39 on: Monday 30 November 20 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Under Subject: Re:William ( younger ) Innes is incorrect, It now should be William ( elder ) Innes.
It appears that maybe, Item 3 and 4 may apply to William ( elder ) Innes because Alexander Innes son of William ( elder ) Innes was not an Officer with the 42nd but rather a Seargeant with the Gordon Highlanders.
Did you see the RTF Report that I got from the Gordon Highlanders?? Let me know 

Alexander Innes born 1808 and son of William ( younger ) Innes was not a Soldier.

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 01 December 20 12:51 GMT (UK) »
Just so that everyone is up to speed with all this, these are previous threads about Innes families started by Dufftown:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799554.0 Possibly relates to the family of Alexander Innes who features in the descendancy charts that I posted earlier in this thread. Dufftown now says that this is not his family.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=811951.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812165.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812538.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812773.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812912.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813040.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813146.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813238.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813260.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813321.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813366.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813447.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813545.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813637.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813654.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813709.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813711.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814820.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814898.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814953.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818842.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=820153.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823689.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=824209.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825000.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825072.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836219.0
All these relate to deciphering 17th century records of mostly Innes and Leslie baptisms and banns. There is nothing in any of them to imply any connection to Glenlivet.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=655433.0 (started by William in Montreal but using the alias Tomnamuidh instead of Dufftown)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=816999.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=840026.0
These ones relate to the assorted Inneses in Glenlivet.

Other threads mentioning Glenlivet Inneses started by other RootsChatters
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=376472.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=384549.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=72075.0

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 01 December 20 18:05 GMT (UK) »
It says: HIS FATHER WAS WILLIAM MOTHER UNKNOWN, I am now saying that this William I am calling William ( elder ) Innes.  Regarding his wife Margaret McDonald she used an alias McAlister.
In one of your other threads, you say that William Innes (elder)'s wife, and the mother of William Innes (younger) and Alexander Innes (soldier) was Elizabeth McDonald. There is a record of the marriage of a William Innes to an Elizabeth McDonald in 1770 and Alexander the soldier's death certificate says his mother was Elizabeth Macdonald.

So who is Margaret McDonald, where does she fit in, what is your evidence that she used the alias McAlister, and why is she relevant?
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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 17:02 GMT (UK) »
Another new thread that may or may not be relevant.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=841060.0
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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 17:32 GMT (UK) »
According to a tree sent to me many years ago, William Innes, husband of Penuel Innes, was the son of Alexander Innes, itinerant minister in Glenlivet. See the chart in my posting above.

I believe this to be incorrect for the following reasons:

1. William Innes, husband of Penuel Innes, gave his age as 55 in the 1841 and 70 in the 1851 census. This suggests that he was born about 1780/1781, whereas William Innes, son of the itinerant minister if Glenlivet, was baptised in 1788.

2. William Innes and Penuel Innes were married on 15 January 1807. On this date the son of Alexander Innes, itinerant minister, would have been just 19 years old. It is unusual for young men to marry as young as 19.

3. William Innes and Penuel Innes named their first son John, their second son William, and only their third son Alexander.

4. The list of children of Alexander Innes, itinerant minister, in Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae, mentions his brothers John, Robert and Alexander, but not William, which may suggest that William died young.

Does anyone know of any evidence to support the idea that William Innes, husband of Penuel Innes, was the son of Alexander Innes, itinerant minister?

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Re: William ( younger ) Innes
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 02 December 20 18:21 GMT (UK) »
This is from the Innes database which the ANESFHS has. T&C = "Innes of Toux and Coxton", Sir Thomas Innes of Learney (unpublished).


21.3.William in Easter Corries of Tomnavoulin in Glenlivet m 1807 Penuel Innes T&C 70
22.1.John b.1807 liv 1854 T&C 70
22.2.William in Easterton of Glenlivet 1808-1880 m 1846 Helen Grant T&C 70; OPR
Inveravon
23.1.George in Easterton in Corries of Glenlivet 1846-1918 burgess Kirkmichael m M.S.
daughter of Burness T&C 70
24.1.Penual Mary "Elma" m Dr. Chitty, London T&C 71
24.2.Margaret teacher, Aberdeen T&C 71
23.2.William 1848-1860 T&C 70
23.1.Elspeth b.1852 T&C 70
23.2.Penuel b.1854 m ? Rose T&C 70
23.1.Alexander (illegitimate by Sophia Middleton) b.1837 T&C 70; OPR Inveravon
23.2.John (illegitimate by Jane Bremner) T&C 70; OPR Inveravon
24.1.Margaret (natural daughter) m William MacDonald farm servant T&C 70
23.3.Jane (by Anne Nicolson) b.1838 T&C 70; OPR Inveravon
23.4.William (by Margaret Burgess) b.1839 T&C 70; OPR Inveravon
22.3.Alexander b.1809 T&C 70
22.1.Isobel b.1812 m ? Richardson in Balliemulloch? T&C 70
22.4.John (illegitimate) b 1800 legitimated by parents subsequent marriage T&C 70


The Fasti just says Alexander Innes (1735-1819), minister of Glenlivet, married and had issue, without giving details. I will look at the Innes database again.