Marriage Record Clara BEAUCHAMP and George William AUSTIN

[wivenhoe]

Are you saying that you have this death certificate, and the Will of this George W AUSTIN?

NSW BDM death
5516/1903  AUSTIN George W    @  Burwood

Can you please list all the information on this death record.

What information do you see on the Will.......date it is written, executors, witnesses, beneficiaries, estate....everything please.

Your reply #5....

Who is John #1?  Who is John #2?   Whoever's Will you have, can you give the relevant details.....eg. date it is written, executors, witnesses, beneficiaries, estate....everything please.

[wivenhoe]

When John Thomas BEAUCHAMP died at home of his uncle, Charles BEAUCHAMP, 19 April 1887, Melbourne, the are two death notices on the 27th April. Notices are in The Herald and The Argus.

Also in this publication, 17 May 1887 p79  -
The Australasian Sketcher with Pen and Pencil (Melbourne, Vic. : 1873 - 1889)

[R3GaN]

It is an interesting suggestion though. She may have gone by Beauchamp as a child, its something I will look into. There is a chance Florence went to live with them as early as 3 years old, so I think they would very much be parental figures to her.
At the time I believe George was working as a some form of mobile caterer, at the races and the cricket ground. He seemed to apply for contracts for these events, so that may be where the 'contractor' came from - maybe a stretch.

Probably Florence  in 1887

Mis F BEAUCHAMP at the Park Place Ladies College South Yarra.
Florence receives 2 prizes. Senior year.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7944936

The school did accept boarders.  Perhaps she was one.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139140067

Sue

[R3GaN]

Hi,
I haven't got George's Will as I don't believe there was one.
From the inquest details, it seems he had no body to inform and so I figured nothing would be filled in on his death certificate, so I have't bothered getting it.
Perhaps I should?

The Johns I spoke of were Charles older brother John, who died in Sydney in 1885 and their father John Beauchamp. John Jr I haven't located a will for but there is an inquest online about his accidental death. John Senior I have the will and testament for but it's really hard to read. There is no mention of Clara or even the elder children.

Are you saying that you have this death certificate, and the Will of this George W AUSTIN?

NSW BDM death
5516/1903  AUSTIN George W    @  Burwood

Can you please list all the information on this death record.

What information do you see on the Will.......date it is written, executors, witnesses, beneficiaries, estate....everything please.

Your reply #5....

Who is John #1?  Who is John #2?   Whoever's Will you have, can you give the relevant details.....eg. date it is written, executors, witnesses, beneficiaries, estate....everything please.

[wivenhoe]

I am having trouble using the information you are giving.

Your reply #16

"Weirdly in 1903 when George W dies in Sydney he has an inquest into his death and is given a pauper's burial. You would question why Florence wasn't named in a will or used as an informant on his death certificate."

I read this to mean that you have this death certificate and can see the name of the informant. The informant is not Florence.

At this stage I would not suggest that you need to get this death certificate. But it could have enough information to identify him...marriage details, name of children, years in the colony, place of birth.

You have a Will, and Florence's name does not appear in such document.

[R3GaN]

Sorry, it's hard to remember what i've said sometimes.
The George I believe is him died intestate. No will. I can't put my finger on the inquest details but it made it seem as though he had nothing to his name and no next of kin they were aware of. The death was ruled heart failure. He had about 8 pound to his name. He was buried in Rookwood Cemetery in what is just a general grave.

I find this unusual given he had a daughter and you would expect he would then at least have made a will to name her.
I haven't bought his death certificate because I figured, if he left no will, they would have had no information to fill in.



https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=INDEX52695&context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&search_scope=Everything&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=default_tab&query=any,contains,george%20austin&offset=130

I am having trouble using the information you are giving.

Your reply #16

"Weirdly in 1903 when George W dies in Sydney he has an inquest into his death and is given a pauper's burial. You would question why Florence wasn't named in a will or used as an informant on his death certificate."

I read this to mean that you have this death certificate and can see the name of the informant. The informant is not Florence.

At this stage I would not suggest that you need to get this death certificate. But it could have enough information to identify him...marriage details, name of children, years in the colony, place of birth.

You have a Will, and Florence's name does not appear in such document.

[sparrett]

. He seemed to apply for contracts for these events, so that may be where the 'contractor' came from - maybe a stretch.

 

No.
 I cannot agree with you here.

The term contractor was clearly limited to those in the building business.
It would not be applied to the  occupation of George W AUSTIN  at all.

I am convinced she has  wrongly  attributed to him the occupation of Charles BEAUCHAMP who is described countless times in records as a contractor.

There was at least some degree of estrangement and she was unfamiliar with the finer points of her true parental details

Sue

[R3GaN]

Yes, I was just clutching at straws as it is just strange that she would choose to make small adjustments like that when she knew a lot of facts.

It seems as though she may have become quite estranged with her father. She learned about the Beauchamp's line through her guardians, and George became just a name.

[wivenhoe]

You have two birth certificates that record marriage details for parents. Can you please list all the information on each of these certificates.

From the marriage certificate AUSTIN-STEPHENSON, Melbourne, 1898 - Witnesses: John Henry STEPHENSON  and  John Charles McCALL

Electoral Roll
1903 McCOLL John Charles         23 Edinburgh St Rich.  porter
        McCOLL Elizabeth               23 Edinburgh St Rich.     

1906 McCOLL John Charles         23 Edinburgh St Rich.  porter
        McCOLL Elizabeth Ann        23 Edinburgh St Rich.
        McCOLL John Charles         23 Edinburgh St Rich.  railway employee
        McCOLL Rose                     23 Edinburgh St Rich.  whiteworker

1908 McCOLL John Charles           347 Dorcas St St Melbourne.  porter
        McCOLL  Violet Annie          347 Dorcas St St Melbourne.  porter

1912 McCALL Violet Annie          347 Dorcas St South Melbourne  machinist

1913 McCALL Violet Annie          347 Dorcas St South Melbourne  machinist

1914 McCALL Violet Annie          347 Dorcas St South Melbourne  machinist