DNA matches to Charles Buckland and Mary Hearne for Elizabeth Smith in Australia

[majm]

Freely available online from the NSW Archives is the index of CONVICT indents for 1788-1801.  Around 12,000 names, fully digitised. 

JM

[Ruskie]

There  are two threads on the Australia board re this particular  Elizabeth SMITH and John BAILEY.   

Add ... she was born and raised in NSW.   

JM

That helps give some background to the search - thanks JM. 

[majm]

 

Elizabeth is currently detailed at Ancestry on 1094 trees..   yes, over one thousand !

JM

[majm]

Hi there,

I am not a descendant of Elizabeth SMITH. 

So if I am understanding this, you are currently thinking that Elizabeth SMITH (born 1799 as her info based on her headstone) was the daughter of Mary HEARNE (born 1790) who married Henry COOPER.   

May I ask about how and when Mary HEARNE arrived in New South Wales. (add, as either Hearne or Buckland, as Elizabeth was noted on a NSW 1820s General Muster as born in the colony).   

I can see that Joseph SMITH arrived Sydney NSW  per the Neptune 1790, and had been tried at the Old Bailey in Sept 1789.   I cannot find Mary HEARNE or Henry COOPER arriving to NSW before 1800.  I can find Mary FLANIGAN who arrived 1815 per Francis & Eliza, she was born about 1790 in Dublin, Ireland.  in the 1828 NSW census she was recorded as mary HEARN, free by servitude, with John HEARN, Lower Portland Head (the then local name for what is now referred to as Macdonald River). 

JM

[Ruskie]

We we see what the OP says, but I understood that there was no known connection between Elizabeth Smith in Australia and the Hearne/Bucklands in Bucks.

I believe that the descendants of Elizabeth Smith have taken DNA tests. They have connections with a number of people who all have Buckland and Hearne in common, but they can’t work out the lineage from Elizabeth Smith to Mary 1790, the daughter of Charles Buckland and Mary Hearne.

I might have got that wrong though.

As all parties related to these families seem to have done a lot of research, it is possible there was an NPE somewhere back in time, or perhaps a missing child whose descendants have not yet been traced.

As mentioned I am not up with with mtDNA tests, so I can’t offer anything related to that connection, but what kind of relationship do you share with your autosomal matches who have Mary 1790 in their trees? How many cms for example? It might give an idea how far back you might need to go. As I understand it, mtDNA matches could be thousands of years ago.

What do you know about Charles and Mary and their descendants? Were you able to trace them all and did they remain in England?

[majm]

Cannot find  BUCKLAND in NSW prior to 1800, but .... I can see a Henry BUCK arriving  August 1791,  trial Bristol on 18 Jan 1790, 7 year sentence.   

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convict-indents-digitised-index

Could Mary be Mary HEARNS alias KEARENS?  (as per the Convict Indents digitised index linked in this post).

JM

[majm]

There's been two more trees uploaded .... now at 1096.

So here's some info gleaned...

Elizabeth "Lizzie" SMITH was
  born 25 November 1799, Hawkesbury NSW
  married 8 March 1820, Windsor, NSW (JM notes this is same district as Hawkesbury).  Husband : John Thomas BAILEY (alternative spelling BAYLEY)
  Daughter born 5 November 1821, Portland NSW (so still in same broad district of Hawkesbury)
  and errrrrrrr .... same tree .... Elizabeth and John marry (again ?) about 1823, St Albans
  A large number of children born
  27 March 1846, Inquest at Wollombi for death of Elizabeth SMITH. 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/66379149  Hawkesbury Courier 16 April 1846.  Mrs BAILEY...

ADD
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/228065013 The Star 10 April 1846

ADD
Info on Mary KEARNS 1768-1826  ... born Ireland, transported to NSW in 1793, .... settler in the Hawkesbury district ...

https://chalker-charker.com/mary-kearns.html


JM

[Jennyb1]

First of all, most of those thousand odd trees with Elizabeth Smith have been copied and are incorrect but no way to get people to change.  Why it is incorrect? no descendants of Elizabeth have Aboriginal in their autosomal ethnicity that can be traced back to Elizabeth.  The mtDNA shows a common English haplogroup H1bb.  Among the thousands of matches I have checked, in the range of 6-11cm  there are two people who have Romany from England.  Many of Elizabeths descendants have south Asia, or Iberian Peninsula which is suggestive of Romany.  Cooper is one of the common names we are finding in trees with matches in England.  I have checked Elizabeths who married a Smith, with no clues to show someone who may have left their husband.  Elizabeth Smiths who married other Male names, again no clues,  I have a list of all the Elizabeths born in Australia between 1790 and 1800.  I am in the process of working through that list.   There is also the possibility she was a child of a convict, and normally there are no details of their arrival. 

[Ruskie]

This might give an indication of your connection with a 6/11cm match:
https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4