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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 03 October 20 21:37 BST (UK) »
A tree has a Patrick Francis CARR married to Emma FIELD in Albury 1859

'The Wagga Wagga Express reports.....The unfortunate man leaves a young wife. to whom he had only been married five months ago'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article114837563

NSW reg 1202/1859
Patrick Francis CARRE to Emma Elizabeth FIELD, District  Albury

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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 03 October 20 23:15 BST (UK) »
Have you read this last post of ShaunJ?

It is very informative. I am starting to question the validly of my death certificate now. I have been querying it ever since I received it 2004.

Cannot find another registration that would fit. and am told nor do NSW registry.

The civil registration process for registering bdm in NSW commenced in 1856.   So a sudden death after Feb 1856 in any regional area should be registered with NSWBDM ...but .... and it is a huge B U T .... not all sudden deaths in that era were formally registered.   If a coroner or police magistrate authorised a burial prior to a formal enquiry then that burial order  should have been followed by the next step ... formally registering a death.  However,  sudden deaths were not a frequent event. 

To me,  the death registered in Cassilis has absolutely no connection with the sudden death in a coach accident in the Tarcutta / ALBURY area.   

I have written many posts across a number of years on many threads on the Australia board, noting that NSWBDM processes in the 1850s through to WWI were based on verbal advice to local deputies.  Missing rural or regional death registrations when the death was a sudden/accident/police enquiry/coroner is not unusual in those early years of the civil process.
 

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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 03 October 20 23:29 BST (UK) »
A tree has a Patrick Francis CARR married to Emma FIELD in Albury 1859

'The Wagga Wagga Express reports.....The unfortunate man leaves a young wife. to whom he had only been married five months ago'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article114837563

NSW reg 1202/1859
Patrick Francis CARRE to Emma Elizabeth FIELD, District  Albury

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This report also places the accident on the road from Tarcutta: Adams' hotel must have been on that road:

"FATAL MAIL ACCIDENT.-On Friday afternoon, at about two o'clook, a Mr. Carr, the mail driver, was returning from Tarcutta, on the gap between Mr. Stachan's and Mr. Adams', the horses became frightened, and the driver of the coach lost all control over them. The coach came down the hill at a fearful pace, over logs, stumps, and all obstacles which presented themselves. The coach was brought to a standstill in a deep creek at the bottom of the hill, where the vehicle came in contact with the limb of a tree. The shock overturned the coach and smashed it to pieces. The driver sustained injuries of such a nature that he died shortly afterwards. Some diggers who were passing by, conveyed the unfortunate mailman under the shade of a tree, where everything was done that could be thought of, to restore animation. Deceased, when picked up, was black in the face ; the blood running very fast from his left ear. As soon as possible he was removed in a spring cart to Adams' hotel, but he continued insensible until ten o'clook, when he died. The only outward mark of injury was a slight scratch on the right temple. Deceased was burled on Sunday.-Albury Border Post, March 28"

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18675807?searchTerm=mail%20coach%20accident

So it is possible that the mail driver was based in ALBURY, and drove it back and forward between Tarcutta and ALBURY never venturing further into any other regions of NSW   ...

I will be back home in several days, but perhaps a wild card search on the week for date of death with surname as Ca*  would help. 

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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 04 October 20 00:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks majm

This has confirmed my suspicion...…. I have an incorrect Certificate!
I just spent ages replying to your post...….It disappeared  when I pushed send, it told me someone had a reply.....then it vanished...so annoying!!!

I wonder where the burial took place?  I did a check of places named of available burials online.......no luck....guessing there is no headstone so would be hard to track down....

Thanks to all the RC's that have produced these news clips to narrow things down and putting him in the correct areas.
I have searched Trove many times  and have never found these latest ones!!!

Thanks again Kaz


ps The trees online have used my incorrect certificate..... I shared it with one another person, next I know it is in everyone's tree...my tree is not online.


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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 04 October 20 01:59 BST (UK) »
Using NSW bdm online features and wild card etc ...

63 deaths registered in the BDM district of ALBURY (included more than the town ) for all of 1860 (ref no. 2727 for John WATTS d.d. 7 Dec 1859 to 2789 Henry DILLON d.d. 14 Nov 1860. 

#2739 drills down to a death in the second week of February 1850. ... Oops ... edit ... 1860.   It is for an unknown male, aged 40.

JM  nb one finger typo #2739 / 1860 is for a death registered ALBURY District in 1860, not 1850. Sorry.
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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 04 October 20 03:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks majm.....I will be onto that on Tuesday morning! fingers crossed...  won't  hold out too much hope as if they didn't know his name....who knows maybe I will get burial place?

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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 04 October 20 03:03 BST (UK) »
Using NSW bdm online features and wild card etc ...

63 deaths registered in the BDM district of ALBURY (included more than the town ) for all of 1860 (ref no. 2727 for John WATTS d.d. 7 Dec 1859 to 2789 Henry DILLON d.d. 14 Nov 1860. 

#2739 drills down to a death in the second week of February 1850. ... Oops ... edit ... 1860.   It is for an unknown male, aged 40.

JM  nb one finger typo #2739 / 1860 is for a death registered ALBURY District in 1860, not 1850. Sorry.

I have just edited my post.
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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 04 October 20 03:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks majm.....I will be onto that on Tuesday morning! fingers crossed...  won't  hold out too much hope as if they didn't know his name....who knows maybe I will get burial place?

Please do NOT order that d.c.  it is not for the mailman who died late March 1860.

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Re: Burial 1860 at Fiddler's Point N.S.W.
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 04 October 20 03:17 BST (UK) »
Wasn't going to order.... I am in communications already with NSWBMD's and we are trying to work this problem out, will ask them to check this record, I know burial day so maybe I can eliminate from that. They have all the proof of what I have so these two new news clipping will narrow it down further'
BMD's have been very helpful so far so fingers crossed.
I have 2 incorrect certificates for this death already fortunately back 2000 and 2004 so not as expensive as they are now. ???