Ethel Quin

[derekjwatson25]

I would interested to review the Quin family tree with Ethel’s  daughter so see if we have covered everything that’s been found to date. It’s also a possibility that some family members are still alive ?

[IgorStrav]

Do you want me to invite you to see the Ancestry tree I have created for the family, Derek?

We have not as yet found Ethel's younger sister Agnes. 

Agnes Wills
Reg Date 10/1929 (Oct 1929)
Reg Qtr Oct-Nov-Dec
Reg district  Salford
County  Greater Manchester
MMN Quin
Vol No 8d
Page 374

Her birth certificate would show if she, like Ethel, was adopted. 
We don't have her precise birthday, just Oct qtr 1929, or her mother Winifred Quin's precise death in the July qtr of 1930, but she is likely to be under 12 months old at her mother's death.

If she was adopted, then her name may well have been completely changed by her adoptive parents.  I've not found her within the family in 1939 either, or a redacted entry which might be her.

I'm not clear if it's possible to get details of the adoption if you aren't a direct descendant of the adopted person - perhaps someone can clarify for me - but it is possible that Agnes has children which would be Ethel's daughter's cousins.

These would be in addition to the descendants of Ethel's sister Winifred, who Carole has already attempted to contact.

[jonwarrn]

Winifred Wills buried 12 July 1930, location Greater Manchester.
One other person in grave.
Info from deceased online free index.

Burial was at Weaste Cemetery.

[jonwarrn]

One other person in grave.

That could be George who seems to have died in 1958?
George Wills, died 22 June 1958, buried 26 June 1958, Greater Manchester
One other in grave. Cemetery is Weaste.

George's second wife Alice died 21 Aug 1982, cremated 26 Aug 1982, Greater Manchester

[IgorStrav]

Winifred Wills buried 12 July 1930, location Greater Manchester.
One other person in grave.
Info from deceased online free index.

Burial was at Weaste Cemetery.

Great find, Jon.  So as we theorised, it must have been a huge upheaval with a tiny baby (Agnes) in the house, a two year old (Ethel) and a six year old (Winifred) with their mother dying.

Father George Wills remarried in the Jan qtr of the following year, and his wife had a son of her own aged 4 at the time.


The Agnes Quin 1952 marriage in Whitehaven, found by Carole, has I believe been ruled out (there is a Quin family in Whitehaven and I've found the birth details of this Agnes there).

There's an Agnes Quinn marriage in Salford in 1954, but to be honest it's guesswork that Agnes would follow sister Ethel in taking on her mother's maiden name, and of course there's the extra 'n', too

I think we'd need to find out a) if Agnes was adopted and b) if so, whether she was renamed by her adoptive parents - and if so, there's not much point in looking for her under either Quin or Wills.

[CaroleW]

I think I ruled that 1954 marriage out because I found births in 1932 & 1933 for the bride & groom.

I have recently spoken to 2 friends of Ethel’s who both told me they knew she had a sister as she used to visit her.  Her eldest sister died in 1962 so it must be Agnes she visited. 

[IgorStrav]

I think I ruled that 1954 marriage out because I found births in 1932 & 1933 for the bride & groom.

I have recently spoken to 2 friends of Ethel’s who both told me they knew she had a sister as she used to visit her.  Her eldest sister died in 1962 so it must be Agnes she visited.

Thank you Carole re the 1954 marriage, I must have missed your ruling it out.  I was doubtful anyway, as I say.

I think I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that if Agnes was adopted as a baby her name was changed.  Though I assume there must have been some knowledge of 'where she had gone' so to speak, if Ethel/Iris was in touch with her in later life.

We don't have an exact birth date for Agnes as we did for Etheil/Iris, so have no clues as to where she might be in the 1939.

If Ethel/Iris was adopted by her maternal grandfather and step grandmother, I suppose it's possible that there is a re-registration reflecting an adoption for one of the family members Agnes? 

I will have a look to see if there are any other Oct 1929 registrations for a girl child within the close family.

[CaroleW]

Hi Igor

You didn’t miss anything as I didn’t mention ruling out the 1954 marriage on this thread.  It’s just something I checked after speaking to Ethel’s friends.  Am looking at another way of getting the info but will pm you later

[CaroleW]

A quick update.  Some photos of Ethel have now been received from one of her friends & these will be emailed to her daughter