Ethel Quin

[IgorStrav]

I have just checked 2 Stott Lane, Salford - this is the Hope Hospital, and was originally the Workhouse Infirmary.

So this address is not confirmation Winifred and George were living apart at the time of the birth, she was just in the Workhouse Infirmary.  The adoption may well indicate other issues, though, of course.

[derekjwatson25]

Ive sent this to the daughter and she told me shes already applied for any adoption records. Ive also asked her to obtain copy of certificate for the marriage to Charlie Richardson. Ive sent a PM to the owner of the family tree of Winnifred Wills, born in Salford 1924 to George Will and Winnifred Quin who we beleive is the sister of Ethel and Agnes who we now think was also adopted.
Im trying to see who was living at the address in Salford from the Land Army registration on the 1939 Register....they maybe the people who adopted Ethel ?

[IgorStrav]

1 Shirley Ave, Salford.
The occupants are Henry and Elsie Robinson (born 30/8/1901; 12/5/1903 respectively), with Selina Fabrell (born 14/4/1872), shown as married.
One redacted entry.

From earlier post when I looked this up.


Added:  the redacted entry shows a birth in 1935 so couldn't be Ethel's sister Agnes. May indeed be a child of Henry and Elsie.
And further added:  we can't be sure Agnes was adopted without getting her birth cert, too

[IgorStrav]

The 1 Shirley Avenue Salford address given by Ethel Quin on her Land Army enlistment was in 1946.

We hypothesised that the 1939 residents of that address, Henry and Elsie Robinson (plus her mother Selina, and their son) had moved away by 1946.

However, in looking at the Robinsons, I have found Henry Robinson's Probate Record in 1957 which quotes his address as 1 Shirley Avenue - the family evidently remained there until at least the mid 50's.

So either Ethel Quin's Land Army address details do link her in some way to the Robinsons, or she made up the address. 

I'm looking at other houses on the road for 1939

[IgorStrav]

I must also apologise that I theorised that Winifred Quin Wills and George Wills might have been separated at the time of their daughter Ethel's birth.

I had forgotten that we found a baptism for Ethel on 29th January 1928 - 10 days after her birth - which shows her as the daughter of George and Winifred Wills of 111 Robert Hall Street., George's address on the birth certificate.

The subsequent adoption shown on Ethel's birth certificate is not dated.

[derekjwatson25]

Igor it’s quite understandable as this search / story has been weaving theories and leading us all left right and centre. Again many thanks for your help. I hope to get the info we require from the adoption records and also the marriage certificate to Charles Richardson.

[IgorStrav]

Just to update you, and for anyone else looking, I've researched the Robinson family who lived at 1 Shirley Avenue, Salford, in the 1939 and stayed at that address until at least the mid 1950's, and cannot see any link to the Wills/Quin families.

[IgorStrav]

Can I ask for more eyes on some further research on the Wills family, please?

Ethel Wills was the daughter of George Wills and Winifred Quin Wills.

I have found George and Winifred's eldest daughter, Winifred (1924 Salford) in the 1939.  She is living with her paternal uncle Albert Wills' widow, Annie.  So we know that George's siblings did play at least some part in his children's lives.

Another of her paternal uncles, Harold Wills (1906-1957) married Maude Gladys Jefferies in December 1928.  They had a son Harold in Jul qtr 1930, who sadly died in the October quarter of that year.

I cannot see any other children for Harold and Maude - please can anyone else see any? - but Maude is in the 1939, without Harold (can't see him, either, can anyone else) and two redacted entries, at 53 Hope Street Salford, which is about a mile away from the Wills family home at 111 Robert Hall Street. 

These two redacted entries might possibly be Ethel (1928 Salford) and Agnes (1929 Salford) Wills, since their mother Winifred died in the July qtr of 1930, just at the point brother in law and sister in law Harold and Maude lost their baby.

I am again theorising, but please can anyone see births to Harold and Maude which might explain these redacted entries?

[IgorStrav]

Added

Have just seen a Edna M Wills birth Jan qtr 1937 MMN Jeffries in Manchester North (not Salford).