Ethel Quin

[Nookie]

I wonder whether the children who came out to South Africa were perhaps Geoffrey's nieces.  He would have been 16 when the first one was born.  Although possible that it was his child I would have thought that the children would have stayed with their mother.

If so, do you have any idea of the names of his brothers? 

[derekjwatson25]

On the 1st marriage certificate in 1947 she declares her age as 19, on her land army registration she declares her age as 17 with DOB of 19/1/1928.
Her daughter doesn’t know how and why she left and only knows very little of her 2nd marriage only she left for South Africa alone ? She’s hoping that she made a new life in SA and there’s family there ?

[Nookie]

I have found what appears to be their immigration papers.  Unfortunately these are not online and would require a researcher to obtain them from the Cape Town archives.   I am not sure what details would be on them, but would think it would be worth getting them.   
DEPOT     KAB                                                                   
SOURCE    PIO                                                                   
TYPE      LEER                                                                 
VOLUME_NO 1833                                                                 
SYSTEM    01                                                                   
REFERENCE 80728E                                                               
PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          IMMIGRATION PAPERS. MR. AND MRS. GB BAIRD.                           
STARTING  1956                                                                 
ENDING    1956

[derekjwatson25]

Managed to resize her paperwork.

[Nookie]

I have put up a request on the South African Genealogical facebook page in the hopes that someone could help.

[CaroleW]

MR. AND MRS. GB BAIRD.

He was Geoffrey Graham

The 1953 emigration was clearly somebody from Scotland as the address was Peterhead Aberdeen.  Scotlands People has a birth in 1947 Peterhead matching one of the childrens entries

Both Geoffrey & his brother were born in Lancashire

George B Baird aged 25 address 3 Stirling Drive Glasgow left Liverpool for Capetown 6.8.1953 occ Government servant

[IgorStrav]

A Geoffrey G Baird married in 1959 in Kent.  This birth matches his death birthdate

March qtr 1929 Geoffrey G Baird mmn Soper Barton on Irwell 8c 845

Death
 
Geoffrey Graham Baird b 10.3.1929 died 1994 Bexley

That shortens his return to between 1953-1959

Carole's last post about the passengers to SA suggests it's going to be important to get Geoffrey G Baird's second marriage certificate (provided above by Carole earlier) to see what his status was at the time - divorced, widowed?

[CaroleW]

There are a number of things here that I am dubious about.

We know that Ethel Quin married twice and we know that the child from her first marriage was brought up separately

Neither of her marriage certs show a fathers name and there is no birth reg for an Ethel Quin/Quinn matching a birthdate of January 1928 which suggests she was either not born in England or Wales or was born under another surname

She remarried in 1952 but we have no documentary proof that they went to SA - either together or separately.

In 1959 second husband Geoffrey Graham Baird married in Kent and died there in 1994

So we only have a 6yr time span between the 1952 marriage and the 1959 (Late 1952 - early 1959)

There are no outgoing/incoming passenger records for either Geoffrey or Ethel to SA.

My gut feeling is that the South Africa emigration was perhaps a convenient "tale" within the family as her daughter was only 5yrs old at the time of the remarriage.  It may have explained her mothers failure to visit - though not her failure to write

If the 1959 marriage cert shows Geoffrey was a widower - then that would explain the lack of communication

If there is no trace of a divorce in SA - was there one in England?   

EDIT

James Leslie Baird born 1927 - brother of Geoffrey - married in Norfolk in 1953 & died in Norfolk in 1994.

[IgorStrav]

I agree with Carole's summary.

Have just looked at the Salford address (from the Land Army details) in the 1939 Register.  I appreciate that is 6 years ahead of Ethel's Land Army enlistment aged 17 in 1945.

1 Shirley Ave, Salford.
The occupants are Henry and Elsie Robinson (born 30/8/1901; 12/5/1903 respectively), with Selina Fabrell (born 14/4/1872), shown as married.
One redacted entry.

is this a red herring or could the redacted entry be Ethel (?)Quin