Ethel Quin

[CaroleW]

My personal opinion is that until the birth cert and Richardson marriage cert are purchased any further research by yourself or Rootschat members is pointless.

I have to say I am surprised the daughter has not yet confirmed whether they have been applied for given the vast amount of effort which has gone into this request.   

[derekjwatson25]

I have repeatedly requested her to obtain the certificates that may resolve the mystery. She told me yesterday that she obtained the marriage certificates to Glenister and Baird spouses directly from High Wycombe Register Office years ago when she started her own search. This was way before Ancestry etc websites were available. She thinks she was told at the time Ethel was adopted.
Either she was born Ethel Wills and was adopted later by Quin family or was illegitimate and adopted by Quin family as a baby.
I’m unsure if adoption records can released to anyone other then immediate party concerned ?.

[chempat]

The birth certificate needs to be obtained before you attempt anything to do with adoption.

Who does she believe told her about the adoption?

[PaulineJ]

There's no proof that there ever was an adoption is there?
If she's not minded to provide the marriage certs, then let this lie.

Pauline

[IgorStrav]

Derek - is she aware that she can obtain a PDF of the Salford Ethel Quin birth certificate from the GRO very quickly at a very reasonable cost?

Exactly as Pauline says, there is absolutely no need to add in further complications.  It simply confuses matters and wastes time.

Added:  if you require guidance on how to obtain the birth cert please just ask, although it is clear what to do from the instructions on the GRO site, and I provided the details of location/quarter/vol and page number earlier in the thread.  Will repeat if required.

[CaroleW]

We have already disproved the "emigration to South Africa" story haven't we?  Then came the "emigration to Australia"

There has been no previous mention of adoption so I don't think any of us are prepared to spend any more time on unproven "stories" 

For a total expenditure of £18 on 2 certificates she could prove or disprove what has been found so far.  If she is not prepared to do so then that is her choice

[Jamie79]

Good luck, Derek.

You're doing your best and haven't forced anyone to go to any lengths to help you. For my part it was a pleasure to help out in as much as I was able to via my family connection and unearthing of the "emigration to Australia" recollection, sorry I can't provide any documentary evidence. Maybe this one just isn't meant to be, but all the best with it. It'll really be something if you can find out what became of Ethel.

I have repeatedly requested her to obtain the certificates that may resolve the mystery. She told me yesterday that she obtained the marriage certificates to Glenister and Baird spouses directly from High Wycombe Register Office years ago when she started her own search. This was way before Ancestry etc websites were available. She thinks she was told at the time Ethel was adopted.
Either she was born Ethel Wills and was adopted later by Quin family or was illegitimate and adopted by Quin family as a baby.
I’m unsure if adoption records can released to anyone other then immediate party concerned ?.

[IgorStrav]

Good luck, Derek.

You're doing your best and haven't forced anyone to go to any lengths to help you. For my part it was a pleasure to help out in as much as I was able to via my family connection and unearthing of the "emigration to Australia" recollection, sorry I can't provide any documentary evidence. Maybe this one just isn't meant to be, but all the best with it. It'll really be something if you can find out what became of Ethel.

Jamie, nobody here is saying they have been 'forced to go to any lengths to help' Derek, or the daughter of Ethel Quin, who's trying to find out about her mother.

In posting on Rootschat, Derek has asked people here to help him, and that's what we've been trying to do. 

I'm quite clear that finding out about the Wills/MMN Quin birth was an effort to see if we could solve the puzzle.  It was my choice to research a tree to see if any answers would be produced from that, and indeed to offer to share the results, which Derek's not felt the need to take up.

And in helping Derek (and hopefully Ethel's daughter), we have made the most constructive suggestions we can.

I don't count myself among them, but there are very experienced researchers here who give up their time freely to answer queries.  In order to make the best use of time, they will ask relevant questions and also say what research is best to do, and what is not.

We're trying to help, and that is what Derek has asked us to do by posting here.

[CaroleW]

Jamie

Everybody who has been involved in this post has pulled out all the stops to try & get a resolution to the whereabouts and background of Ethel.  We all love a challenge 

A lot of time was spent discounting the incorrect information given about her emigrating to SA which appears to have been caused by poor research.

Igor's birth registration find is the only real possibility but until that birth cert is purchased and the actual birthdate compared to the one on the Land Army record - nobody will ever know for sure whether she was born as Ethel Wills.  Cost is £7 for a pdf copy

Similarly - the 1959 marriage cert can help prove or disprove if she married for a third time.  It may prove to be a red herring but it's a bit coincidental that there is a marriage for an Ethel Quin in the same year & qtr her ex husband re-marries.  Cost is £11 to buy that cert

Total outlay £18.  A bargain if it helps solve all or part of the mystery