Ethel Quin

[Jamie79]

Sorry, Jamie - if this is Ethel and Geoff's wedding, surely they are in the centre of the shot?

Ethel in the front in the pale suit, holding a handbag and what looks like a white horseshoe, with Geoff to the left (as you look at the photo).

I may be misunderstanding what you are saying.


Derek - if we post a link to the Photo Board here, someone will have a go at sharpening the picture for us.  I can do this if you're happy.

Sorry, just posted to this effect, only the left half the image was showing on screen, I thought it had been cut in half. I've downloaded and can now see full picture!

[IgorStrav]

Sorry, Jamie - if this is Ethel and Geoff's wedding, surely they are in the centre of the shot?

Ethel in the front in the pale suit, holding a handbag and what looks like a white horseshoe, with Geoff to the left (as you look at the photo).

I may be misunderstanding what you are saying.


Derek - if we post a link to the Photo Board here, someone will have a go at sharpening the picture for us.  I can do this if you're happy.

Sorry, just posted to this effect, only the left half the image was showing on screen, I thought it had been cut in half. I've downloaded and can now see full picture!

That's been done many a time on here!  No worries! 

[Jamie79]

A guess, based on old family pictures. but I think the couple to extreme left might be a Soper cousin and his wife. Otherwise, James and wife, my Nanna, and James and Audrey Baird as stated.

[Jamie79]

Hello all,

Just spoken to James Leslie Baird's grandson. He has spoken to his mother, who is in the photograph Derek has shared, along with my grandmother, her brothers and parents. I would really love a good quality scan of this picture if at all possible, please.

The update is that not long after divorcing Geoff Baird circa 1957, Ethel emigrated from living in the Kent area to AUSTRALIA. No knowledge of another marriage but I will ask my relative to double check on this with the name Charlie Richardson. They were a close knit community back then in the Bexleyheath area, so his name might ring a bell.

Hope this helps, perhaps check some Australian shipping information?

Just double checked re: Charlie Richardson/1959 marriage and the story is that Ethel basically upped sticks very soon after divorcing Geoff and emigrated. Of course I'd still go ahead with checking the certificate, perhaps she told people she was leaving and didn't, perhaps she came back. But the story from a friend and contemporary is that she left the UK soon after her marriage to Geoff Baird ended.

[Jamie79]

Any luck finding links to Australia, Derek?

[derekjwatson25]

Jamie I haven’t found any trace of her in Australia under her married names ( Richardson / Baird ) or maiden name. Ancestry doesn’t have anything listed on any ships heading there in 1956 onwards. I will keep looking as something will turn up sometime / somewhere. We may have to wait until 1921 census is published to try and trace the Wills or Quin family in Salford.

[IgorStrav]

Jamie I haven’t found any trace of her in Australia under her married names ( Richardson / Baird ) or maiden name. Ancestry doesn’t have anything listed on any ships heading there in 1956 onwards. I will keep looking as something will turn up sometime / somewhere. We may have to wait until 1921 census is published to try and trace the Wills or Quin family in Salford.

As previously mentioned, in course of helping with this research, I have completed a relatively large Salford Wills/Quin family tree which takes most of the people involved to the 1939 census and sometimes beyond.  I have also offered to share my researches with you, Derek.

I'm not quite sure what the 1921 census will add to that at the moment?

Have we any news about the birth certificate for Ethel Quin in Salford where I think we were waiting to see if the birthdate matched that quoted on the Land Army?

[CaroleW]

As Winifred Quin & George Wills only married in 1922 plus the fact that Ethel wasn’t born until 1928 I also fail to see how the 1921 census will help 

Far more relevant in solving this issue is obtaining the birth cert and Richardson marriage cert - the most important being the birth cert.   Your reply dated 6th Oct refers - any response?

[derekjwatson25]

I was hoping the 1921 census would show us who is living at the address that Ethel has given on her land army registration. I have emailed the daughter and given her all the information we have so she can apply for relevant BMD certificates from national records but no word back to date. I’ve tried searching Salford School records as Ethel Quin / Wills must have gone to school from 1933,  but again nothing so far.