Hi fascinating thankyou very much dobfarm looked at the link too . Have i got it right it was a tram line over the river and he must of crossed the tram line with his horse and cart ?As you can guess Im not from this area,would you know is it all still there do you know? thankyou so much for your help I am so looking forward to my visit as I had been looking for this man now for years so it will be the icing on the cake as they say to visit the church and bridge if possible. John had been living at Upper lane Emley at the time of his death so hopefully not far from the bridge .