Could Cathleen MOORE and Cathleen HUTCHISON, 1888 be the same people?

[Lucy2]

Margaret SCHULER (HUTCHISON)

Travelled  with daughter Anstina, via Sydney and Honolulu to Vancouver, Canada.

Vessel :   "Makura" - departed Sydney
Arrived :   Vancouver BC 23 June 1914

Mrs Margaret SCHULER - 52 - born : Scotland  - Race :  Scotch
Miss Anstina SCHULER - 16 years - born New Zealand - Race:   German

[@ancestry - Canadian Passenger Lists ]

    ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Margaret SCHULER

Margaret's other daughter Pauline, travelled to Canada in 1913.

Seems she was accompanied by her brother Gustave (Gus).
Again, info from Canadian Passenger Lists (@ancestry) - some spelling variations occur too in Canadian records - SCHAULER / SCHULES :

Paulina M.A.  SCHULER  -  aged 19 years  - born NZ
[this is Pauline Margaret Alma* SCHULER b. 1894 - NZ ]

G. SCHULER - 17 years --   (b.1896 - no place given - but am assuming this was Gus SCHULER along with his sister  Paulina ? )    UPDATE  Found further information which confirms "Gus SCHULER aged 17 years - born New Zealand" was on this voyage.

   --- arrived per "Marama" at Honolulu 17 June 1913

Entry into to Canada for both is at "Alien Arrivals Canada - 1904-1944"  (indexed as "SCHAULER" and "SCHULER" ).

     ~  Lu

Edited to correct name at *
Further edit to insert UPDATE.

[Eyesee]

I believe the indexes on Ancestry are the old microfiche ones, whereas the ones on the BDM website are totally new and taken from the original registers, hence some not very good attempts at getting the right spelling. The folio numbers are not the same between the two either.

Sometimes if there are two surnames one has been added later if the parents have later married, but were not married at the time of the child's birth.

Ian C

[Lucy2]

Brief visit to Auckland, arrived "Orcades" - 26 September 1956

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X3FG-8F?i=6&cc=1609792&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQJDV-YZ8N

SCHULER - Gustave J
SCHULER - Gertrude F. (b. Canada - probably his wife? )

Also on this voyage  >

HUTCHISON - Mrs. Paulina   
(other passenger records show her as P.M.A. HUTCHISON and give age 62 (bc 1894) so fairly safe to assume this is Paulina SCHULER b. NZ 1894 - sister of above Gustave.)

The SCHULER's returned to Vancouver per "Orcades" arriving 21 October 1956 -
Paulina HUTCHISON departed Auckland per "Oronsay" in late December 1956 for Canada.

   ~  Lu

[darianb]

Question: In 1888, how would a birth be recorded if the parents were not married or if the father was not involved? Could it be mother's surname but father's first name listed? Has anyone seen a situation where a birth shows up on Ancestry but not BDM?

Can you tell us when your great grandfather Frederick William MOORE, married, please ?   (There are several men of that name.)

   ~  Lu

Thank you everyone for everything so far. I hadn't managed to connect the Canadian Schulers yet.

Interesting that Paulina was going by the name Hutchison. I wonder if it was because it was shortly after the war or if it was related to her birth date being only about six months after the wedding as far as I can tell.

I've contacted BDM to see why there might be two records. Twiggy mentions possible adoption so I'm hunting for that but I couldn't see Mr Schuler/Schiller adopting her as yet.

My Frederick William MOORE was born in Belfast in 1860 and came out to NZ in 1873 on the Hero, via Melbourne on the Ben Ledi in 1872. Still not sure why they were in Melbourne. He was with his mother, Victoria Moore (nee Brown), brother James Morgan MOORE, sister Amy Louse MOORE, and aunts named Haslett and Brown (the aunts eventually moved to San Francisco). He lived with his mother and sister (James Morgan moved to Australia) in Bradford St, Parnell. He ran a book/stamp shop for some time until selling up and buying an orchard in Henderson, West Auckland. In his late 40s, he married a widow, Florence Lucy GYLFE (nee HARRIS) and adopted her three children. He went on to have two daughters - another Kathleen (1915) and Hazel (1920). He died in 1951 having never hinted that he had another daughter.

He may have also been connected to the St George's Rowing club but I can't work out if that was him or his father-in-law now.

[Lucy2]

Hi Darian

Thanks for the additional information ... it's helpful.

If you can hang in here for just a few minutes longer, I will post some further info re:  Paulina for you to peruse.   

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Paulina Margaret Alma SCHULER -- aka HUTCHISON

From FamilySearch >

This is Paulina's death record (no image unfortunately).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLTL-4Q5

I had gone in search of her because I was curious as to why she was using what essentially was her mother's maiden surname on her 1956 trip back to NZ.
Aside from this death record there is other data I'm still sifting through regarding Paulina.   Will get back with an update shortly I hope.

   ~  Lu

   

[Lucy2]

Paulina SCHULER (HUTCHISON)

This is a death record  for a William HUTCHISON (born 1883) who has a mother named Margaret HUTCHISON and a wife named Paulina SCHULER   ??

Something seems "fishy" here (but I only say that because I haven't at this stage been  able to pinpoint what's what).   

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL25-Z7P

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

This is a marriage record for Edna Margaret HUTCHISON who was the daughter of Paulina M. SCHULER and William HUTCHISON :

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MR-B5RB

  ~   Lu