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Re: Ireland Census Search Forms 1841 and 1851
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 16:35 BST (UK) »
I am assuming that the Patrick applying for a pension in 1919 who gives his parent's name as John and Mary Merriman, abode Cloonbunny, Roscommon, is the same Patrick who was on the 1851 and 1861 census returns in England with parents John and Mary Merriman born Ireland (probably Roscommon).  Patrick was born circa 1846 and his brother Daniel was bpt 1849 in Lichfield, so he was very young when he left Ireland.

I hadn't thought of him trying to claim a UK pension, good thinking outside the box Jon_ni  Great links too.  Thank you

Derbys: Ward, Hopkinson, Bradley, Birds, Clarke, Taylor, Daykin, Gent, Vardy, Cotterill, Stocks, Godber, Dronfield, Charlesworth, Bonsall, Purseglove
Notts: Clarke, Freeman, Kitchen, Allcock, Housley, Swanwick, Berrisford, Farnsworth, Antcliffe
Staffs: Nutt, Bowring
Yorks: Holling, Fish, Kay, Hardy
Lincs: Plummer, Broughton, Wellbourne

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Re: Ireland Census Search Forms 1841 and 1851
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 17:31 BST (UK) »
Perhaps your family moved to Lichfield because of family connections.
In 1851 there are several Roscommon Freemans. Lots of Roscommon people around there.

1881 2772/68/19

There is an Edward Freeman 64yrs from Cloonbun...
lodging with other folk from Roscommon.

I know it doesn’t help but it is interesting.
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Re: Ireland Census Search Forms 1841 and 1851
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 19:35 BST (UK) »
It does help.  In the beginning of this search that was all there was to go on.  I have researched the Lichfield Freemans and several of the other Irish folk round and about.  They are probably all connected in some way, but I am finding Irish records extremely hard going.  Still, onwards and upwards.  Now to try and pin down Patrick ...

Many thanks for all the help and interest
Derbys: Ward, Hopkinson, Bradley, Birds, Clarke, Taylor, Daykin, Gent, Vardy, Cotterill, Stocks, Godber, Dronfield, Charlesworth, Bonsall, Purseglove
Notts: Clarke, Freeman, Kitchen, Allcock, Housley, Swanwick, Berrisford, Farnsworth, Antcliffe
Staffs: Nutt, Bowring
Yorks: Holling, Fish, Kay, Hardy
Lincs: Plummer, Broughton, Wellbourne

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Re: Ireland Census Search Forms 1841 and 1851
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 10:48 BST (UK) »
The Old Age Pension was introduced in the UK & Ireland in 1909. To qualify you had to be 70 or over. Proof of age was required. However since birth certificates were only introduced in Ireland in 1864 (in contrast to 1837 in England), many applicants couldn’t produce one. So in Ireland other documents were acceptable, eg baptismal certificates, marriage certificates (if they established your age satisfactorily) and military discharge documents which normally contained the person's age. However if you had none of those, another approach was to check the 1851 (and sometimes the 1841) census. Obviously if a pension applicant in say 1917 was 4 or older in the 1851 census, then they’d be over 70 and so eligible.  So there was a system whereby applicants without proof of age could complete a form stating where they were living (or thought they were living) in 1851, and where relevant, in 1841. This information would then be sent to the Public Record Office in Dublin and checked against the censuses.  If their family was found in the relevant census and the age accurate, then they’d get their pension.

The pension was non-contributory, with the cost being borne by taxpayers generally. It was enacted in 1908 and was to pay a weekly pension of 5s a week (7s 6d for married couples) with effect from 1 January 1909. The level of benefit was deliberately set low to encourage workers to go on making their own provision for retirement. In order to be eligible, claimants had to have an income less than £31. 10s. a year, and also had to pass a 'character test'; only those with a 'good character' could receive the pensions. Claimants also had to have been resident in Great Britain and Ireland for at least twenty years to be eligible, and those who had not worked habitually were also not eligible.
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