Ireland Census Search Forms 1841 and 1851

[Designer Jeans]

I am interested in
Date of Receipt 25/9/1919
Applicant: Patrick Freeman
Address: Secretary LGB, Whitehall (Local Government Board?)

Father and mother of applicant: John Freeman and Mary Merryman
Residence in 1851: Roscommon
County: Roscommon
Barony: Frenchpark
Parish: Tibohine
Townland: Cloonbunny

Does anyone know if this definitely confirms that Patrick was living in Ireland in 1919 please?  Could he have applied if he was living in England?

Many thanks
DJ

[Amanda G]

It looks like he was living in England to me.
I tried putting just London in the "Applicants present address" search box and it brings up 412 results lots of which are the same address as you have found

[gaffy]

Is this what you mean?

http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246699/007246699_00892.pdf

I'm interpreting this that someone in the Local Government Board in Whitehall was making this enquiry in relation to Patrick Freeman and that outside of this origin of the enquiry, no specific address for Patrick in 1919 is to be inferred.

[Designer Jeans]

Thank you both.  Yes, that is it.  It seems the Irish Local Government Board was located in Whitehall in 1919.  It would narrow down my search for Patrick to know where he was living at the time. 

I have tried researching the history of the Irish State Pension, but so far haven't found the small print on residency requirements. 

Patrick was born circa 1846 and was in England by 1851.  Do others feel that I am correct in thinking that Patrick must have returned to and lived in Ireland to qualify for a state pension?

DJ

[Sinann]

No, he was just trying to prove his age to qualify for a pension, in which he was unsuccessful. It doesn't tell you where the pension would have been paid.

[heywood]

Where was Patrick living in 1911?

[Designer Jeans]

Pass

Only sightings of Patrick are

1851 census Low Bankside, Stockport, Cheshire
John Freeman 40
Mary Freeman 40
Patrick Freeman 5
Daniel Freeman 1
all born Ireland

1861 census peel's Row, Lichfield, Staffs
John Freeman 40 b Ireland (bur Lichfield 1870 aged 55)
Mary Freeman 50 b Ireland (nee Merryman/Merriman)
Patrick Freeman 15 b Lichfield
Daniel Freeman 11 b Lichfield (emigrated to St Louis, Missouri in 1883)
Ann Freeman 2 b Lichfield
Anthony Merryman 50 b Ireland Boarder
Thomas Grefton 25 b Ireland Boarder
William Meacham 30 b Ireland Boarder

I have dead ends on Mary, Ann and Patrick, until Patrick popped up on the 1919 pension application

DJ

[Maiden Stone]

It seems to me that when Patrick gave information in 1919 he was under the impression that he and his parents were living in Roscommon at the time of 1851 census. He may not have been able to recall how long he had lived in England, if he'd been there since he was a small child.
Are you sure it's the same family on 1851 & 1861 census, reply #6 ?

[Jon_ni]

Bear in mind that Irish partition was 1921 so in 1919 he may well have been seeking to prove his age and entitlement to a UK pension and the old census searches were used as unlike England where Birth registration commenced 1837 it only commenced 1864 in Ireland. However the line towards the bottom "Family not found" implies no entry could be found on the 1851 census and his claim would have been rejected. The Irish 1841 and 1851 census were subsequently lost 1922 in the Dublin Record Office fire.
The address at the top was eg sometimes a minister or official who filled in the form as the person was illiterate.

If the family was in Low Bankside, Stockport, Cheshire 1851 the fact they could not be found in Roscommon, Ireland is hardly surprising.

http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-pension-records.html