Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932

[Peggy13]

I tried to find the baptism of John Edward Brown, born Dec 5, 1902 and registered March quarter of 1903, in Stowell Memorial, same place as his brother Robert but didn't find him there. Curious as to what it would say about parents.
Peggy

[mckha489]

On findagrave, I did find the burial of a Robert Brown in 1972 but dob is unknown. However, area is Manchester so could be the right person.
Death 24 Apr 1972
BURIAL   
Southern Cemetery
Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
PLOT   KKConsecrated 664

FreeBMD gives the birth date for what I think is this burial as "About 1900"

I offer another contender

there is a death in 1979  March qtr
BROWN, Robert dob 20 Sept 1906, Salford 39 1104   

Assuming of course that he kept to BROWN. After all he was KEEN in 1911. But perhaps Robert Bernard KEEN sloped off not long afterward and they all reverted to BROWN

[Peggy13]

That is a good contender Mckha489. From what I have seen, Robert was born in 1904 but not registered until 1906. Does anyone know if, by 1979, parents names are given on death certificates as I understand that earlier ones did not have that information.
My mother was a Johnston born in Canada but I do not know if this family has any connection to mine.
Peggy

[mckha489]

5 in 1911
1911 - 5 = 1906
Registration Dec qtr 1906
Baptism Oct 1906
I don't know why you would think 1904 birth


No the death cert will not have parents names on it 

[tazzie]

I tried to find the baptism of John Edward Brown, born Dec 5, 1902 and registered March quarter of 1903, in Stowell Memorial, same place as his brother Robert but didn't find him there. Curious as to what it would say about parents.
Peggy

 Looked through lancs opc site and found this .....what do you think?

  Joannes Edwardus Spidy -Brown  filius Joannis Brown & Annae (formally Johnson)

 Born 5th Dec 1903 abode Paradise Hill .

 Godparents Petrus Hunt  Margaret Keefe.

 St Peter's Greengate. Which is in Salford.

 It was the date of birth that stood out.... But out by 1 year?

 Tazzie

[mckha489]

that does look good Tazzie.
I feel I have seen a reference to 'Paradise Hill' earlier

[mckha489]

1901
5 Paradise Hill, Salford

John SPIBEY widower age 48. Labourer at Iron Foundry. b Bolton
and his son Alfred age 15


added - this might be his death March qtr 1907
SPIBY    John    54    Salford    8d   50   

[tazzie]

On well done.... That cracks that one.

 Spibey not Spidy.....easy done .

Tazzie

[Peggy13]

I have to admit that I obviously don't know much about researching in England, in particular Lancashire. So it is a good thing that I have all of you wonderful people to help me.

First of all, I probably got the idea that son Robert Brown was born in 1904 from this -BROWN Robert.  1904 D qtr, in Salford vol 08D page 129 MMN Johnson  (ie not the Liverpool one the tree has linked. That one has a MMN of AUGHTON).
However Jamjar found this - BROWN, ROBERT mmn JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 129 (or is prev quote of 1904 a typo as this is same volume and Page as above?)

And John found this - A baptism at Stowell Memorial Church, Salford, 18 Oct 1906
Robert parent Annie Brown abode Salford Workhouse

And Mckha found this - there is a death in 1979  March qtr
BROWN, Robert dob 20 Sept 1906, Salford 39 1104   

So I think we have established that Robert was born Sept 20,1906, bapt Oct 18, 1906, and registered in Dec quarter of 1906. All fits.

Then John Edward Brown - if I understand correctly, he was born Dec 5, 1903 to John Spibey and Annie Brown, formerly Johnson. NOT this possible one - Maybe: BROWN, JOHN  EDWARD mmn JOHNSON GRO Reference: 1903  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 105 (or is wrong year entered on baptism?) And should it say "filius Joannis Spibey"? When did baptism take place?

Thanks again so very much. Oh, there is a tree on familysearch that gives Robert Bernard Keen's parents as Frank Keen and Elizabeth Gemmell with Elizabeth dying in 1913. Of course, that same tree gives the date of marriage of Robert Bernard Keen to Annie as Sept 8, 1906 and we know that Robert married Ellen Ward on that date so.....
Peggy