Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932

[jonwarrn]

I can give you Ellen Ward in 1901, in case it helps.
Living in Hope Street, Salford
piece 3732 folio 118 page 6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9KB-NL9

Waid on ancestry.
Ellen is only 10 in 1891, so was even younger than she said when she married Robert Keen.

WARD, ELLEN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: HUGHES 
GRO Reference: 1890  J Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 174

Brother George had married Margaret France at Pendleton in July 1906, I think they were the marriage witnesses.

[jonwarrn]

Free index to 1911 has a George Ward, 66, and Helen Ward, 64, in Salford.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1Q-8SH

Could they be the parents we see in Hope Street in 1901, and, if so, are there any clues as to surviving children?
John

ADDED
They had six children in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:78ZZ-PZM

[jonwarrn]

Possible new development with Ellen Ward.
She was baptized at Christ Church, Salford, 4 June 1890
Born May 3rd 1890
Parents George and Ellen, father a Labourer.
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-HX9G-7Y?i=576

I put "Ellen" born 3.5.1890 into the search boxes for the 1939 Register, and the free index brought up a few in Lancashire, including
Ellen Cliffe, living at 67 Ash Street, Salford C.B.
Thomas Cliffe and 3 more people are on this record.

Back to 1911 (free index again)
Ellen Cliffe, 20, born Salford, married to Thomas, and with two children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBY-58M

Children..
CLIFFE, THOMAS       
Mother's Maiden Surname: WARD 
GRO Reference: 1908  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 190

CLIFFE, HARRY       
Mother's Maiden Surname: WARD 
GRO Reference: 1909  D Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 26

[jonwarrn]

There is a possible marriage for the Cliffe couple in 1907!
18 Aug 1907 at St Peters, Congleton
Thomas Cliffe
+
Nellie Ward, father George Ward
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3GT-3XX

Interesting!

[Peggy13]

Wow, jonw65, you are making real progress. Must be correct Ellen aka Nellie. So if she married Robert Bernard Keen in Sept 1906 and Thomas Cliffe Aug 1907, I wonder if her marriage to Robert was annulled. thanks for all this great information.
Peggy

[Peggy13]

My original Annie was baptised June 17, 1870 in Urbal, Coagh, Co. Tyrone but she would be deceased before the 1939 Registers. Her daughter Annie Johnston Brown was born Sept 29, 1891 in Manchester and married Harry Moores Sept 13, 1913. Wonder if you can find her in 1939. She supposedly died Sept 1960.
Peggy

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Using that d-o-b you gave, the free index has her
Annie Moores born 1891
Living at 8 Hayfield Street, Salford C.B.
Harry Moores is also on this record
1 more person who is officially closed.

That's all we are allowed to give on Rootschat!
Juggling with it, Harry was born 1890
John

[jonwarrn]

That death you mention does look quite possible
Sep 1960  Salford 10f 403
Moores, Annie   
age 68   

I think she must be the Annie Moores cremated 15 August 1960
Location Greater Manchester
Info from Deceased Online free index.
John

[Peggy13]

Thanks again, John. You are quite the detective. What does it mean when someone is officially closed?
Peggy