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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #18 on: Monday 17 August 20 18:34 BST (UK) »
Gosh I am driving myself mad with this one now!

On the census' I have a
Emily Poole Chant (1869)
Caroline Poole Chant (1870)
Mary Jane Poole Chant (1872)

All born before the suspected wedding of Henry Chant and Mary Ann Poole.

As Henry was married before these could be children from his previous marriage (and all of these children are baptized later once the family move to Manchester).

'Caroline' would appear to be a family name of Mary Ann Pool/Butcher (her mother) so could be relevant there.

 

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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #19 on: Monday 17 August 20 20:33 BST (UK) »
CHANT, EMILY       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in AXBRIDGE  Volume 05C  Page 602
CHANT, CAROLINE       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 05C  Page 751
CHANT, MARY  JANE     BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1872  M Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 68

Maybe Henry was living with Mary Ann but wasn't free to marry until 1873?

ADDED : Maybe for the back burner?
Marriages Mar 1851   
Brown    Jane        Wincanton    10   821    
Burge    Hannah        Wincanton    10   821    
Chant    Henry        Wincanton    10   821    
Hooper    William        Wincanton    10   821    
Mitchel    Ann        Wincanton    10   821   
Ancestry shows marriage on 16 Feb 1851, Henry's father William labourer, Henry made mark.

CHANT, JOSEPH       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 10  Page 577
CHANT, ANN       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 511
CHANT, SUSAN       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1854  D Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 576
CHANT, WILLIAM       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 577
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #20 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:31 BST (UK) »
CHANT, EMILY       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in AXBRIDGE  Volume 05C  Page 602
CHANT, CAROLINE       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 05C  Page 751
CHANT, MARY  JANE     BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1872  M Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 68

Maybe Henry was living with Mary Ann but wasn't free to marry until 1873?

ADDED : Maybe for the back burner?
Marriages Mar 1851   
Brown    Jane        Wincanton    10   821    
Burge    Hannah        Wincanton    10   821    
Chant    Henry        Wincanton    10   821    
Hooper    William        Wincanton    10   821    
Mitchel    Ann        Wincanton    10   821   
Ancestry shows marriage on 16 Feb 1851, Henry's father William labourer, Henry made mark.

CHANT, JOSEPH       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 10  Page 577
CHANT, ANN       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 511
CHANT, SUSAN       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1854  D Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 576
CHANT, WILLIAM       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 577


It gets weirder and weirder each time someone finds something  ;D
I know on Henry & Mary Ann's wedding certificate there is approx 20years between them, so possibly waiting for existing spouse to pass away prior to marrying.
Would explain why all the older children were baptized with the surname 'Poole Chant' at a much later date in Manchester. Possibly finally had opportunity to make it 'proper'. 

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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #21 on: Monday 17 August 20 21:35 BST (UK) »
But I can't find that Henry & Ann or children in 1861 [yet] so don't know if Ann was alive then.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #22 on: Monday 17 August 20 22:34 BST (UK) »
Thinking about it - on the suspected wedding certificate for Henry Chant & Mary Ann Poole, it lists her dad as William Poole. I assume then this would mean her mother (Caroline) was married to William Poole prior to William Butcher then?
Even more confusing with everyone having similar given names  :P

It was not unusual for a child in this situation to invent a father with the same first name as the man their mother married
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #23 on: Monday 17 August 20 23:16 BST (UK) »
This could be Caroline’s bpt mother Dinah Pool
Baptism 27 Jun 1819
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Barrow Gurney

Is this Caroline Pool on 1841 c, single woman crossed out for Caroline & B*d for William

Place Named Arch Grove, Long Ashton, Bedminster
William Say Somerset
Mary   Say Female Somerset
Charles Say   Somerset, England
Caroline Pool Somerset, England
William Pool   Somerset, England
Thomas Smith -
HO107 Piece 944 Folio 32 Page    22
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #24 on: Monday 17 August 20 23:27 BST (UK) »
Marriages Jun qtr 1843 
BUTCHERS    William       
POOL    Caroline       
Bristol    11   167

Marriage 03 Apr 1843 Bristol, St Mary Redcliffe

Caroline Pool, single
William Butchers Single father John
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Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« Reply #25 on: Monday 17 August 20 23:38 BST (UK) »
Henry Chant Single Father William, labourer
Spouse Ann Mitchel Single
Denomination   Anglican
Residence   Henstridge
Marriage 16 Feb 1851 By Banns
First witness   George ?
Second witness   George Crocker
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