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Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« on: Friday 31 July 20 18:15 BST (UK) »
Hello all!
I am searching John born circa 1848 in Portsmouth. He was a sailor, a winch man in fact and emigrated to Everton where he married the lovely Pauline Vale. Here is what I need to make sense of: I thought it seemed reasonable that he might have been from Dorset, Wareham to be exact, but is that really feasible?
If truth be told I am praying this is not the case, as the trees covering those generations are well, a dog's breakfast! (Children from couples with the same names are intermixed despite the fact that one couple is C of E and the other Dissenters!)
Now John and Pauline had some not so common names for their children which I hope may catch someone's attention. Gladys and Gertrude being the most uncommon.

Thanks to Jed, he discovered maiden name of Baggs in Warehnam for his mother!
While I agree the Tollerfield surname often got mangled, it has been my experience that more often than not it was written correctly for the older generations I researched. ( John and Jane Courtney for example, whom I now believe are not a correct branch.)
Can someone be so kind as to suggest if I ought to remain in Alverstoke or head back to Dorset? One other clue: the Dorset crew, understandably did not have any mariners in the family! Thank you in advance for any advice. Cheers!
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #1 on: Friday 31 July 20 18:17 BST (UK) »
Who's his father?
When,where, and with whom is he in official records and census?

Pauline

TOLLERFIELD, JOHN       BAGGS 
GRO Reference: 1849  D Quarter in WAREHAM AND PURBECK  Volume 08  Page 117

TOLLERFIELD, EMMA       BAGGS 
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in WAREHAM AND PURBECK  Volume 08  Page 135
 
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #2 on: Friday 31 July 20 18:21 BST (UK) »
No marriage between a Tollerfield & a Pauline Vale

In fact - no marriage for a Pauline Vale until 1953

No birth registrations for a Gladys or Gertrude Tollerfield??
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #3 on: Friday 31 July 20 18:26 BST (UK) »
ANNIE Gertrude Tollerfield b 9.4.1884 was baptised 4.6.1884 Christ church Everton.  Parents John & Pauline

Mothers maiden name was Lethbridge - where did you get Vale from?

All you needed to do to establish his birthplace is to look up the family on the 1881/1891 censuses
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #4 on: Friday 31 July 20 18:33 BST (UK) »
Other births - all mmn Lethbridge

Pauline 1879
Margaret Jane 1881
Marion 1889
Charles 1887
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #5 on: Friday 31 July 20 18:39 BST (UK) »
1881 - birthplace Hampshire

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-DHV2

1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:737L-C6Z

In 1871 she is Pauline Vale

Marriages June qtr 1873 www.freebmd.org.uk
 
John Tolerfield (one L) to Pauline Mary JS Leathbridge

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk marriage was at St Mary's Walton & her surname is shown as Lethbridge
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #6 on: Friday 31 July 20 18:57 BST (UK) »
Marriage 9.4.1873
John Tolerfield bachelor - full age- mariner - father John occ bricklayer

Pauline Mary Joan Lindell Lethbridge - spinster - father Benjamin Alexander occ book keeper

Witnesses Edmund Chisters? & Marie Rigby

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

 
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #7 on: Friday 31 July 20 19:21 BST (UK) »
Pauline Leathbridge and Pauline Vale are two different ladies. So if Leathbridge is the mother I need to find the correct children. Pualine Vale may have only had a daughter Pauline then. Thank you for your research anyhow! I found John's dad in Wareham and all is good! Oh and yes Baggs is the correct mother. Job well done! :D
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Re: Tollerfields in Alverstoke
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 July 20 22:02 BST (UK) »
They are not 2 different people.  Look at the mother in law on the 1881 entry. 

Either Pauline was illegitimate - born as Lethbridge then mother married Vale

Or - she was legitimate - father died & mother remarried

See also my reply 2
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