GROUNDWATER family from Kirkwall ORKNEY Scotland

[trish1120]

Re your query brooksburns.
I have been wondering for some time whether this Robert is the same man who married Margaret Eunson in Leith on 10 July 1818, and who was a shoemaker in Tollbooth Wynd in Leith.

Appears to me he is the same man, 1851 he is born c 1799 Kirkwall, Orkney.

Looks like he had a second Marriage 1833 to Helen Wishark.

If he died after 1855 ScotlandsPeople will have his death cert.

Trish

[brooksburns]

Thanks Trish, I agree it looks good from the 1851 - but with several missing documents I don't feel it's quite clinched.  If only I could find Margaret's death record - or if Robert's second marriage record said he was a widower (it doesn't say either way) - then I'd say it was job done.

Aaaah (re Robert's death), he died before 1855 Jun 04, thanks to his son William's marriage certificate.  At least that narrows it down.

Thanks all for your comments, it's renewed my energies, I will have a thorough look through all the related documents I've found and see what more I can work out.

[brooksburns]

I think I've found the extra evidence I wanted that Magnus Groundwater and Isabella Petrie are my ancestors.

"My" Robert named his son William Baxter Groundwater.  Unless there's something I'm missing about the name Baxter (? scrutiny welcomed!), then this strengthens the evidence that he is the brother of that William Groundwater who married Helen Baxter.  (Besides this, as I already knew, both brothers were shoemakers, and it looks likely that Robert is in the 1851 census as born in Kirkwall.)  And thanks to the elder William holding out till 1873, I can see from his death certificate that Magnus Groundwater and Isabella Petrie were his parents.

Robert moved to Leith.  Some branches of his descendants have been in Edinburgh constantly since then.

[turramurra]

Rather a difficult request but wondered about Oman Groundwater...

Could he have been the father of John Groundwater, born 1745.
John married Margaret Nisbet born 1750.
Their son, Magnus born 1771 married Isabel Petrie, born 1776.
their sons were Robert born 1797 and William 1804.

Oman is an unusual name but it could have been incorrectly spelt.
Turramurra

[garstonite]

Geneanet has
Oman Groundwater married Isobel Groundwater
2 daughters
Isobell and Katherine -there is another birth but no name given

https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&sexe=&nom=groundwater&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=oman&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Orkney+Isles%2C+Scotland%2C+United+Kingdom&country__0__=GBR&region__0__=SCT&subregion__0__=OKI&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=&region__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=&region__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=&region__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=&region__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1

[brooksburns]

I don't think Oman is a misspelling, it seems to be a local name.

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Oman
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=677629.0

[trish1120]

I'm happy you found evidence brooksburns

[brooksburns]

Me again.

I'd love to find Robert Groundwater's death, 1851-1855, probably in Leith, shoemaker, birth about 1797, husband of Helen m.s. Wishark.  I haven't been able to turn up anything in statutory or parish records.  I suppose there must be a misspelling in the index, or something.

Can anyone help?

(He is not the watchmaker who died in Kirkwall in July 1850, son of Edward.)

[Skoosh]

Wishart. ;

Skoosh.