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1767 Lytham Papists
« on: Friday 17 July 20 16:28 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Does anybody have a copy of the above looking to find the following names ;

Bonny/Bonney
Swarbreck
Crookall

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Re: 1767 Lytham Papists
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 July 20 19:07 BST (UK) »
John Crookall aged 67 landlord,lived in parish 37 years
Alice aged 61 wife of John,lived in parish 39 years
Elizabeth aged 23 born in parish daughter
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Richard Crookall aged 29 years born in Parish a butcher and landlord
Jane aged 33 wife of Richard,lived in Parish ten years
Alice daughter born in parish aged 9
John son aged 8 also born in parish,

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 July 20 19:14 BST (UK) »
Thomas Crookall aged 73 husbandman born in parish
John Crookall aged 37 born in parish also husbandman
Betty aged 33 wife of John lived in parish 15 years,
Thomas aged 14 son of John born in parish
Margaret aged 13 daughter of John born in parish
Mary aged 9 daughter of John, born in parish
Richard aged 7 ,son of John  born in parish
William aged 5,son of John  born in parish
Agnes aged 1 ,daughter of John  born in parish
Betty Crookall aged 46,born in parish
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Re: 1767 Lytham Papists
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 July 20 19:26 BST (UK) »
Betty Swarbrick aged 21 servant, lived in parish a year
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George Swarbrick aged 55 lived in parish 5 years
Eleanor aged 54 wife to George lived in parish 5 years
James aged 20 son to George and Mary lived in parish 5 years
John aged 16 son to George and Mary lived in parish 5 years
perhaps George married Ellin Hall of Inskip,in St Michael on the Wyre 10th August 1767
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Re: 1767 Lytham Papists
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 July 20 19:36 BST (UK) »
Have you also tried looking at the Margaret Higgins database of Catholics 1607-1840 on the Catholic family history website?
Broadley (Lancs all dates and Halifax bef 1654)

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 July 20 19:43 BST (UK) »
No Bonney mentioned in the Papist returns  but I can see plenty of them in St Cuthberts  Lytham church records
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Re: 1767 Lytham Papists
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 July 20 19:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks Radcliff
Will check out the names tomorrow where are all my Bonneys ?? Yes I have all those at St Cuthberts most of them were Baptised in the RC church in Lytham from 1750 onwards so it seems strange that they are not listed ??

Clayton
Yes I have the database some \Bonneys are listed but none of mine

Your Bradley family any connection to the Carr surname
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Re: 1767 Lytham Papists
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 July 20 20:14 BST (UK) »
Although Richard & Jane's children were included in St. Cuthbert's baptism register as most Lytham Catholic babies of the time were, they were actually baptised by the Catholic chaplain, resident at Lytham Hall. Their baptisms are in register of St. Peter R.C. Mission. (Transcriptions published in a volume of "Lancashire Registers" by Catholic Record Society and freely available online.) Lady Jane Clifton, lady of the manor was godmother to 3 of Richard & Jane's children, 2 of whom died young and were buried on the same day.
Richard & Jane's marriage is one of the earliest in the register begun by the R.C. chaplain. They also had a legal ceremony at St. Cuthbert's.
Mary, daughter of John Crookall, landlord, is on the Return with her husband & young children. Her husband was a servant at Lytham Hall at the time. Catherine Anderton, younger half-sister of Thomas Clifton, lord of the manor was godmother to Mary's eldest daughter, named Catherine in her honour. Cath Anderton and her brother (godfather to one of Richard's children , I think,) are on the Return at Lytham Hall. 
John Crookall, landlord, died late 1767. I have a copy of his will. Mary was his main heir. Elizabeth got her choice of best bed, some other furniture and her choice of cow or heifer.
Richard and Jane were my ancestors. I've not been able to confirm a relationship between Richard and landlord John. May have been nephew & uncle? Richard was a posthumous son of another Richard. John Crookall left a small bequest to a daughter of a "Richard Crookall, late of Lytham" but the relationship of the late Richard's daughter to John wasn't stated.
Radcliff has added the other Crookall names while I was typing. John Crookall of this household may have been an executor of John the landlord's will.
 Agnes Crookall was my 4xGGM. She married John Crookall, butcher and later landlord. Mary, one of their daughters married a descendent of John Crookall, landlord, through his granddaughter, Catherine, daughter of the afore-mentioned Mary of Papists' Return.



 

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Re: 1767 Lytham Papists
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 July 20 20:56 BST (UK) »
No Bonney mentioned in the Papist returns  but I can see plenty of them in St Cuthberts  Lytham church records

Was it a complete version? 4 pages, 373 names. I only have a partial transcription with 194 names on 2 pages from Fylde branch of Lancashire FH & Heraldry Society.
Bonny names are on the page after Crookall. I did a search for Bonny in the copy on Hathi Trust Digital Library Website. I don't have a sub. so couldn't see the page. 10 hits for Bonny on page132.  Lytham Return is pages 130-133.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015004183201

Mary Hampson was daughter of John Crookall, landlord. She was listed with husband James + daughters Catherine and Nancy.
Btw the Cowban surname below my posts was ancestor of Agnes Crookall but I don't know the connection. "Betty, wife of John" and mother to Agnes was born out of parish; I don't know her surname. Marriage was before Hardwicke's Act.
Cowban