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Offline Gortinanima

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Any Armoy experts?
« on: Friday 17 July 20 09:11 BST (UK) »
The Prerogative will of Alice Morell, a spinster from Armoy was probated in 1855.

I am looking to investigate Morell family from Armoy area -- my first clue is the above Alice Morell. She may have been the daughter of Henry Morell of Mill Five Acres (valuation book 1834).

She was probably Presbyterian so in 1855 what were the congregations and are there graveyards attached?

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Re: Any Armoy experts?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 July 20 10:16 BST (UK) »
Armoy was a.k.a. Ardmoy:

https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/A/Armoy-Carey-Antrim.php

Note the following from the Northern Whig of 15 December 1834: Nov. 28th, Elizabeth, wife of Mr. Henry Morrell, merchant, Ardmoy, aged 41 years.


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Re: Any Armoy experts?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 July 20 15:16 BST (UK) »
There's a Presbyterian church in Armoy with a graveyard. But many Presbyterians were buried in Church of Ireland graveyards too so check that as well.
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Re: Any Armoy experts?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 July 20 18:23 BST (UK) »
hello Gortinanima
It is going to be very difficult unless you find why Henry lived in Armoy as a merchant, and unless you know more eg where he came from, and did he have a son. where did you find the valuation record 1834! was it PRONI?  very well researched anyway!

A merchant sounds more important than a grocer shop but not a miller , cotton, linen manufacturer , if Armoy was say a flour centre,  he could have been be a flour merchant, there is the Millrace within Mill-Five-Acres townland (which actually has 9 acres so is a very small townland indeed). on the maps seen, there is no Mill building named as such on maps which show other items. there are to the west two Mills s closeby on the north river bank. 

My best starting point is Elywn’s suggestion try the burial records and there the mystery begins. the Presbyterian church is on all maps but the church records for Armoy are disappointing held at PRONI thus
ARMOY, CO. ANTRIM
C.I. Armoy (Connor diocese)
Baptisms,1826-91; marriages, 1827-1982; burials, 1827-93; vestry minutes, 1758-1893; preachers’ books, 1824-42 and 1897-1957; accounts, 1871-95.               MIC1/334
blank green small space for 2 lines of text   the letter P ? a hint       MIC1P/290
blank green larger space for 4 lines of text   with no microfilm no inserted
blank green small space for 2 lines of text   the letter D ? a hint        MIC1D/69
ie no mention of Armoy Presbyterian Church at all. 

Checking for Armoy Presbyterian Church church records on google, first they are active on facebook  not on an existing website, their address is  2 Gracehill Rd, Armoy, Ballymoney BT53 8TD , that triggered to include all Ballymoney Morell/ Morrell records found. Ballymoney might have been the nearest registration town.  I actually found Ballymoney references that I didn’t realize might be useful and cant remember their source

then  I found 89 Morell/ Morrell records  in Armoy Presbyterian Church Cemetery Memorials in Find a grave record. https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2669774/memorial-search?page=4#sr-191646782
 the names unfortunately only include just
Berry, Carson Hanma Hanna Jamison Johnston Reilly Simpson
with one or two with birth year dates eg john Jamison 1812-Nov 1866 the earliest quickly sought would be ~1854
so although the majority are within the last  120 years it is a record that will increase if You go seeking a Find a grave volunteer and are willing to pay for Morell/Morel discoverys if they are buried there.   The answer is to cintact the church direct via facebook and failing that go the Presbyterian Historical Society based in Belfast

Alice Morell re probate in 1855 all I could find was the index entry only https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94X-YGNR?cc=3460908&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AWGHD-NWPZ rom

gaffy gave you the Northern Whig entry of 15 December 1834: Nov. 28th, Elizabeth, wife of Mr. Henry Morrell, merchant, Ardmoy, aged 41 year  So Elizabeth b~1793 one might guess the probability that Henry was older ie bbb 1793, indeed was he alive or dead at the time of the Northern Whig entry . The paper was published in Belfast from 1832 onwards published twice weekly, until 1849 when it increased publication to three days a week. Maybe it or another local paper, the Ballymoney Chronicle 1844- a weekly might have a further mention

So the more you know about all  Morell/ Morrell the better.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/armoy/mill-five-acres/
curious the lyMorell’s/Morrell’s listed in tithes Applotment Books are these
Morell, John-Townland: Ballywilderick Upper Year: 1828-Dunboe-Derry
Morell, John-Townland: Knocknogher Year: 1828-Dunboe-Derry
Morell, John-Townland: Moneydig Year: 1822-Desertoghill-Derry
Morell, John, Jr.-Townland: Moneydig Year: 1822-Desertoghill-Derry
Morell, Nathaniel, Jr.-Townland: Moneydig Year: 1822-Desertoghill-Derry
Morell, Nathaniel, Sr.-Townland: Moneydig Year: 1822-Desertoghill-Derry
Morell, Robt.-Townland: Ballywilderick Upper Year: 1828-Dunboe-Derry
Morell, Samuel-Townland: Lisachrin Year: 1822-Desertoghill-Derry
chang of spelling gives us thisMorrell, Robert-- Townland : Clare Year : 1830-Ballymore-Armagh
Morrell, Sam., Jr.-Townland : Ahoghill Year: 1825-Portglenone-Antrim
Morrell, Sam., Sr.-Townland : Ahoghill Year: 1825-Portglenone-Antrim
Morren, Thos.-Townland: Cushendun Year: 1831 -Culfeightrin -Antrim
in the 26 counties
Morell   Jas   Croskeys   Aghnamullen   Monaghan   1829
Morell   Jas   Cordevlis   Aghnamullen   Monaghan   1829
Morell   Jas   Lisgorn   Aghnamullen   Monaghan   1829
Morell   John   Kildoagh   Tehallan   Monaghan   1832
Morell   Fras   Fooford   Toomore   Mayo   1833
Morrell   Charles   Kinacarauh   Clonmeen   Cork   1825
Morrell   Charles      Clonmeen   Cork   1825
Morrell   Charles   Kilmacurrane   Clonmeen   Cork   1834
Morrell         Cunnigar   Cahernarry   Limerick   1825
Morrell   John      Shernare   Kiltoghert   Leitrim   1834
Morrell   William   Turnatariff   Tuogh   Limerick   1826
some years later in griffiths valuation
Morrell   Henry   Mill Street,Ballymena   Kirkinriola   Antrim
Morrell   Robert   Lismurnaghan   Ahoghill   Antrim
Morrell   Hamilton   Lismurnaghan   Ahoghill   Antrim
Morrell   Robert   Ahoghill,(Lismurnaghan)   Ahoghill   Antrim
Morrell   Robert   Ballybrakes   Ballymoney   Antrim
Morrell   Eliza   Ballygarvey   Kirkinriola   Antrim
Morrell   Hamilton   Ahoghill,Killane   Ahoghill   Antrim
with more in Smithfield Townparks Belfast
end of part 1
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Re: Any Armoy experts?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 July 20 18:24 BST (UK) »
continued
turning back to  Mill Five Acres its in Armoy village its a very small townland of 12 acres. it contains about half the village on the northern side of the river, but situated on the west part of the village including the millrace.  Over on  the east side of the riverare 2 schools one numbered No1with a school and Presbyterian church
I tried https://www.ancestryireland.com/ unsuccessful for both spellings
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/default.aspx unsuccessful for both spellings
https://www.emeraldancestors.com/ unsuccessful for both spellings for dates

so hoping I offer something not known that might be useful yet.
have you read https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/morell/84/
Re: Origins of my Morell family name (Update)
By Wilbert Morell III April 12, 2008 at 06:25:19
•   In reply to: Re: Origins of the Morell family name
Wilbert Morell III 10/03/07
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Re: Any Armoy experts?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 July 20 01:24 BST (UK) »
My paternal grandmother was from Armoy.. If you checked the info from the link for the Armoy cemetery, Robert Lusk Carson has a grave stone there, he is my 2nd gt. grandfather.. If you are interested, I may be able to put you in touch with some folks that may have some info.. I am in the US but have made Armoy connections in my search for my grandparents.. Let me know and I will send you info via pm.

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Re: Any Armoy experts?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 July 20 13:53 BST (UK) »
Not sure how relevant this is, but the Ordnance Survey memoir for the parish of Armoy states
"By the revised census of 1835 there are 588 Protestants [they mean Anglicans], 809 Presbyterians and 1300 Roman Catholics in the parish".  That last figure would appear to be rounded.

Two corn mills and three flax mills are mentioned, but none of them in Mill Five Acres (which doesn't appear to get a mention at all).
Incidentally, the Irish plantation acre was based on a perch of 7 yards rather than 5.5, so it works out at 1.62 statute acres.  That still doesn't quite explain the name for a townland of 12 statute acres!
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