Looking for more information on Martha McDowell 1843

[jim1]

As Milliepede said the census does say Birmingham Warks. but that's doesn't mean
it's right.
Look here at Church records & see if there's a likely birth anywhere.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

[wivenhoe]

Is this your family?

Census 1871  Fort Fareham Hampshire
HORNSBY Joseph       30y       Colour Sgt 25th Regt           b. Newcastle NORTHANTS
HORNSBY Martha Francis  27y                                          b. Birmingham WARKS
HORNSBY John          9y                                                  b. Athlone Ireland
HORNSBY Sarah Jane  7y                                                 b. Athlone Ireland
HORNSBY Mary           5y                                                 b. Preston LANCS
HORNSBY Joseph        3y                                                 b. Ayr Scotland
HORNSBY Martha        9m                                                b. Portsmouth HANTS

Census 1881 51 Quarry Rd Heworth Durham
HORNSBY Joseph        40y       Drill Sgt R V                      b. Heworth Durham
HORNSBY Jane           32y    wife                                     b. Gateshead Durham
HORNSBY John           19y        joiner                               b. Ireland
HORNSBY Mary           15y        not employed                   b. Preston LANCS 
HORNSBY Joseph        13y        scholar                             b. Scotland
HORNSBY Martha        10y        scholar                             b. Portsmouth HANTS
HORNSBY Herbert        3y                                                b. East India

Census 1891  11 Mansfield St Gateshead Durham
HORNSBY Jane         42y   widow                                    b. Gateshead Durham
HANDYSIDE Robert   38y   single lodger                          b. Newburn NORTHANTS     

Where do you see that Martha Frances HORNSBY has nine children? Do you have names and birthplaces for children, additional to those named in the census?

Marriage certificate, 1860, HORNSBY - McDOWELL......what names do you see for witnesses?

What church are they married in?.  Does Martha sign or make her mark?.

Can you please give all the information on the marriage certificate.
 

[Dundee]

The marriage is here:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1860/09582/5474230.pdf

Her Father John was present at the marriage.

Why do you think he was present?

Debra 

[Dundee]

It seems that both of them were fibbing about being of full age when they married in 1860, Martha by quite a lot if she really was born around 1844.

Debra 

[OutInTheCold]

Most certainly under age, full age being 21?

I'm hoping that her fathers service record in the Irish Constabulary (25852 ?) may shed some light on her side of the family. Two of the children along with Martha were lost to cholera in India, and two died in Ireland.

[Kiltaglassan]

........I understand that most of the Irish census where destroyed in a fire?

The original census returns for 1861 and 1871 were destroyed shortly after the censuses were taken.

Those for 1881 and 1891 were pulped during the First World War, probably because of the paper shortage.

The returns for 1821, 1831, 1841 and 1851 were, apart from a few survivals, notably for a few counties for 1821 and 1831, destroyed in 1922 in the fire at the Public Record Office at the beginning of the Civil War.

Have a look at this link...........it explains everything.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html

KG

[dhedley]

Hi.  Martha McDowell is my Gt Gt Grandmother.

And now I have her marriage certificate - thank you.

She dies at Fyzabad 3/9/1878 Of Cholera after 10½ hours illness. Aged 35.

Died, along with two of her daughters  (Lily and Adelina), during an epidemic of cholera while in cholera camp.  Interred between two mango trees without coffins but stitched up each in a gurney and in unconsecrated ground.  Funeral service read over them and ten soldiers by the Reverend Brock, Chaplain of Fyzabad on 21/9/1878.

I have more information on the family if you would like it.