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Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« on: Monday 13 July 20 09:03 BST (UK) »
I have a married couple, and their 7 children; Samuel Powell married Annie Wheeler in 1886, Kensington (FreeBMD).

I have found 7 children in all (mainly via GRO records), and I have 5 baptism certificates (Ancestry) I have their 1891 census (Class: RG12; Piece: 25; Folio: 165; Page: 38) showing them at 20 Lonsdale Rd, Notting Hill, but baptisms shows them at 10 Munro Mews, Golborne after mid 1891.

I have found some later evidence that at least some of the children survived.

On the 1891 census Samuel and Annie claim to be born 1865, in Marylebone.

But I cannot find ANY 1901 or 1911 census for either Samuel and Annie,
nor any of their children.

Any and all help welcomed (children details appended)

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1F   Powell, Annie Ethel
Birth       1886-12-22               Kensington, London,
                                         
2F   Powell, Mabel
Birth       about 1888-06-00         Paddington, London,

3M   Powell, William John Samuel
Birth       1889-07-29               Kensington, London,
                                     Middlesex, England
Death       about 1889-12-00         Kensington, London,
                                     Middlesex, England
                                         
4F   Powell, Florence Jannetta Edith
Birth       1891-05-11               Kensington, London,
                                     Middlesex, England
                                         
Death       about 1978-09-00         London, Surrey, England
                                         
5M   Powell, Harry Edward
Birth       1893-03-27               Notting Hill, Middlesex,
                                     England
Death       about 1907-06-00         Paddington, London,
                                     Middlesex, England
                                         
6F   Powell, Georgina Frances
Birth       about 1896-06-00         Kensington, London,
                                     Middlesex, England
Death       about 1932-12-00         Paddington, London,
                                     Middlesex, England
7M   Powell, George William
     
Birth       about 1904-03-00         Kensington, London,
                                     Middlesex, England
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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 July 20 09:31 BST (UK) »
Have you got the marriage cert which would clarify their ages, hopefully

LM
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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 July 20 09:38 BST (UK) »
Have you got the marriage cert which would clarify their ages, hopefully

LM

No - which is surprising to me, since Ancestry has good coverage of London parishes (hence the baptism certs).

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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 13 July 20 09:53 BST (UK) »
possible Marriage for

Ethel Annie Powell aged 20 address Westbourne Terr North

20/10/1907,St Mary Magdalene

father Samuel, not shown as "dec"

to Charles Henry Weekly 27 of Cirencester St, neat to St Mary Magdalene church

Witnesses Annie Newbold and ? Newbold

No joy so far

LM

PS, no Mabel on 1891 ?
Did Samuel die 1896?
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London


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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 13 July 20 10:06 BST (UK) »
possible Marriage for

Ethel Annie Powell aged 20 address Westbourne Terr North

20/10/1907,St Mary Magdalene

father Samuel, not shown as "dec"

to Charles Henry Weekly 27 of Cirencester St, neat to St Mary Magdalene church

That's pretty much a perfect hit. Thank you. I will look into "Westbourne Terr North".

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No joy so far

LM

PS, no Mabel on 1891 ?
Did Samuel die 1896?

No, Mabel is NOT on the 1891 census, not can I find a death in FreeBMD.
I hope Samuel was still alive in 1896, since George William Powell was born in 1904. :-)

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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 July 20 10:21 BST (UK) »
Ok, back to the drawing board

Who were the Newbolds then?

LM
Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 July 20 10:29 BST (UK) »
I've just been (out of optimism) chasing them.

They appear to be father and daughter;

In 1901 (RG13/27/140 p 31), Edward and his new wife Hannah, are living with their children Fanny and Annie at 6 Lonsdale rd;

This is "of some interest" since Samuel and Annie Powell were at 20, Lonsdale Rd, for at least the period 1889-1891.

In 1911 Annie is a cook, lodging at what looks like a boarding house, 4 St Stephens Square, Westbourne Park.

EDIT; the 1891 census (RG12/25/167 p 42) is more helpful.

It looks like Edward F Newbold, the father, is 37, Hannah is 26 (so the 1901 is "odd"), and Annie has a brother, Edward S Newbold.

The address is still 6 Lonsdale.


So - I don't think the Newbolds are "important", but I believe their presence confirms beyond dispute that this is "our" Annie Ethel.

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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 July 20 10:34 BST (UK) »
They are very evasive

LM
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Samuel Powell and Annie Wheeler in 1901, 1911?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 July 20 10:41 BST (UK) »
They are very evasive

LM

Agreed. Bizarrely so.

BTW, I've found Annie Ethel Weekly's death in 1983. That's late enough that the record has a precise birth date, which matches that given on the baptism cert.

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