Henry C. Hamblin

[Calpe 1704]

Jon, Do you have any living children who were born before 1871? I can’t find any in records but thought you mentioned the possibilty. Maria isn’t with her parents in 1871. Has she been found in 1871?

Calpe, if you look over the thread, you can find references to Maria’s birth and her marriage to Samuel Collins.

Thanks, i believe i took that information, Marriage of Samuel Collins(B. 1849-D. ?) and Maria Beale (B. 1850 - D. ?) on the 21 April 1877.

[Calpe 1704]

Hi heywood, No, I don't think there are any more that lived. Henry the first born 1868, and I hope Maria born 1874, are the others, but they both died as infants.
There is a Maria Beal, 22, bar maid in Holborn in 1871. Might be her, perhaps.

I think the F.T. Maker tree is alright?

[heywood]

What does the 'visiting Walter D. Whitty......' mean?

1871 218 /6/5
15 Wells Street, St Pancras
Walter D Whitty   33 yrs Barrister at Law b Liverpool
Catherine -do- 33 yrs b London
Henry Hamlin 43 yrs Visitor Merchant b Falmouth
Alfred D Wilkinson 42 yrs Visitor Gentleman b London
Harriet -do- 45 yrs Visitor b Devon

[Calpe 1704]

Found this baptism at St.George the Martyr, Camden on 12 Sept 1880 of Stephen Henry, son of Samuel Henry & Maria Collins, cab driver of 31 Gt.Ormond Yard (born 17 June 1879).
It's the same area as to where Samuel & Maria Collins & family were on 1881 census, but this child isn't listed and I've not found a death/burial for him as yet, nor have I found his birth index.     

Thanks johnP.
From the F.T.Maker data i have seen in this thread this is the first mention of a Stephen Henry, son of Samuel Henry & Maria Collins. Even stranger is that the child isn't listed neither for birth nor deaths.

I believe then that i should add this child to Samuel H. Collins (1849-?) & Maria Beale (1850-?) the parents?
I do have Samuel H. Collins (1849-?) & Maria Beale (1850-?) other children as Elizabeth (1875), Jessie (1878) and William (1881) surnames as Collins.

[Calpe 1704]

Samuel Henry Collins on that baptism, 12 Sep 1880
Yes, it says he was born 17 June 1879
But he was registered as Samuel William!
COLLINS, SAMUEL  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HAMBLER 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 645

All details now have this information added in my F.T.M., thanks

[Calpe 1704]

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So I'm to understand that Maria Beale possibly had three children by a guy also with a surname Hamblen, and it appears he could have been a wine merchant, called Jacob Henry Hamblen?

He is named as Henry Hamblen (says Hambler) on the birth certificate of the first child, but I think he could be Jacob Henry, yes.

So with three children Maria Beale, used the surname of the assumed father Hamblen.
Might there have been a possible marriage to Mr J. H. Hamblen?

No, she was a spinster when she married Mr. Collins later (despite using the Hamblen name)
Jacob Henry Hamblen was already married to Julia. I think they may have split up, but can't be sure at the moment.

We then learn that Maria Hamblen (nee Beale not used) married a Samuel Collins.
Date/Year known?

Samuel and Maria married 21 April 1877, and I posted the image in Reply #134

Henry Hamblin Hamblen or Hambler, what ever his surname was, its appears to be a bit of a nightmare to establish what actually was the original surname and that perhaps the spelling has varied over the years due to registrars errors.
I believe original certificates or digital images are needed to check all these entries to see where the variations began.

Interesting to see Henry Hambler (1828-1874) and Maria E. Beale (1849-?) had a 21 year age gap!
If i'm correct we know the dates of this Henry having passed away aged 46.

But for Maria E. Beale we only have her birth year 1949.
She married Samuel Collins in 1877 aged 28, 3 years after the death of her first partner/husband, Henry.

[Calpe 1704]

-?)

So I'm to understand that Maria Beale possibly had three children by a guy also with a surname Hamblen, and it appears he could have been a wine merchant, called Jacob Henry Hamblen?

He is named as Henry Hamblen (says Hambler) on the birth certificate of the first child, but I think he could be Jacob Henry, yes.

So with three children Maria Beale, used the surname of the assumed father Hamblen.
Might there have been a possible marriage to Mr J. H. Hamblen?

No, she was a spinster when she married Mr. Collins later (despite using the Hamblen name)
Jacob Henry Hamblen was already married to Julia. I think they may have split up, but can't be sure at the moment.

We then learn that Maria Hamblen (nee Beale not used) married a Samuel Collins.
Date/Year known?

Samuel and Maria married 21 April 1877, and I posted the image in Reply #134

Henry Hamblin Hamblen or Hambler, what ever his surname was, its appears to be a bit of a nightmare to establish what actually was the original surname and that perhaps the spelling has varied over the years due to registrars errors.
I believe original certificates or digital images are needed to check all these entries to see where the variations began.

Interesting to see Henry Hambler (1828-1874) and Maria E. Beale (1849-?) had a 21 year age gap!
If i'm correct we know the dates of this Henry having passed away aged 46.

But for Maria E. Beale we only have her birth year 1949.
She married Samuel Collins in 1877 aged 28, 3 years after the death of her first partner/husband, Henry.
Samuel Collins having appeared to have separated from his first wife Julia before tieing the knot with Maria E. Beale (Hamblen).

[Calpe 1704]

Samuel Henry Collins on that baptism, 12 Sep 1880
Yes, it says he was born 17 June 1879
But he was registered as Samuel William!
COLLINS, SAMUEL  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HAMBLER 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 645

He is with Samuel and Maria in 1891 as Willie age 12, so I think he must be the William who appears with them in 1881 with wrong age given. He marries Julia Davies in 1908 as William Samuel Police constable in Clerkenwell. He is with Julia in 1911 as William and in 1939 as Samuel W (birthdate 18 June 1879). Not sure what the Henry was about!

Ok, i'm looking into this to put 1 + 1 together.
So the above mentioned Samuel is one of the four children of Samuel H. Collins (1849- ?) and Maria E. Beale (1849 - ?), married 21 April 1877.
The mother's maiden name is down as HamBLER.
Perhaps its time to get all these pieces of information as Digital Images to see the entries, spellings?

Now this Samuel Collins (1879 - ?) marries a Julia Davies in 1908.

[Calpe 1704]

Samuel Henry Collins on that baptism, 12 Sep 1880
Yes, it says he was born 17 June 1879

But he was registered as Samuel William!
COLLINS, SAMUEL  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HAMBLER 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 645

He is with Samuel and Maria in 1891 as Willie age 12, so I think he must be the William who appears with them in 1881 with wrong age given. He marries Julia Davies in 1908 as William Samuel Police constable in Clerkenwell. He is with Julia in 1911 as William and in 1939 as Samuel W (birthdate 18 June 1879). Not sure what the Henry was about!

Thank for that, info now added to F.T.Maker