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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #171 on: Saturday 15 July 23 16:48 BST (UK) »
Hi, Well we now have one of the other children's birth details. So I am looking into Mr Hamblen the wine merchant. Possibly the father of your Henry born 1872, as well as the one born in 1868?

Jacob left a will, Probate Calendar, 1874 16 November
Jacob Henry Hamblen, Formerly of 16 Albion Villas, Albion Road, Dalston, Middlesex, Merchant
Late of 2 Manchester Street, Grays Inn Lane, Merchant's clerk
Died 16 August at 2 Manchester Street.
Proved at the Principal Registry by Julia Hamblen of 14 Gloucester Road Regent's Park, Widow the Relict, the sole Executrix

Post 139 gives the date as Sep 1874 Pancras 1b 42
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Re: Henry Hamblin 1872-1948
« Reply #172 on: Saturday 15 July 23 16:55 BST (UK) »
I think he is in Pancras in 1871
No Jacob, he is just Henry Hamlin
Married, Age 43, Merchant, born Falmouth

Visiting Walter D Whitty, Barrister at law, and his wife Catherine. Both 33, born Liverpool.
Where is his wife Julia?

Interesting, but all these variations of the surname is sadly making this look a bit messy, we now have a Henry HAMLIN....

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Henry Hamblin 1872-1948
« Reply #173 on: Saturday 15 July 23 17:15 BST (UK) »
Don't know if this has been mentioned before? as quite a lot of detail has been posted
In 1881 census at 12 Gt Ormond Yard Finsbury
Samuel Collins age 32 Coachman
Maria Collins age 31
Henry Collins age 8
Elizabeth age 6
Jessie age 3
William age 2 months
Elmira Beale age 65 widow mother
Is this Henry age 8 (1873) the Henry Hamblin Beale

Thank you, i dont believe it has been.
Things are getting mixed up or ive mistood some information.
Yes i have a Samuel H. Collins (1849-?), he married Maria Beale (1850-?)
They married 21 April 1877. He was aged 28 and she would have been 27.

So it looks like Samuel was married to a Maria Collins (nee Beale?), who was 31 in the 1881 Census.
They then had children Elizabeth, Jessie & William.

Henry Hamblen (Beale) was born on the 1 June 1872, so it would have been him.
Strange though his name is now down as Collins. First time i've seen it given that way.
Was he a Hamblen, Beale or Collins?

Was Henry Hamblen (Beale) the son of Samuel H. Collins & Maria Collins (nee Beale)?
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Henry Hamblin 1872-1948
« Reply #174 on: Saturday 15 July 23 17:20 BST (UK) »
Is this Henry age 8 (1873) the Henry Hamblin Beale

I think so. Certainly hope so!

With a birth date 1 June 1872, it certainly looks like it
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain


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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #175 on: Saturday 15 July 23 17:27 BST (UK) »
Not sure that I can agree with some of your assumptions:

21 April 1877 - St Saviour - image of parish register entry:

Samuel Henry Collins, 28, bachelor, Coachman.  Father:  Samuel, Coachman.
Maria Hamblen, 27, spinster.  Father:  William BEALE, Coachman.

Samuel and Maria both signed the register.

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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #176 on: Saturday 15 July 23 19:46 BST (UK) »
So Mr Hamblen is finally revealed? :-\
Albeit as Hambler!
Henry Hambler (lets assume is Hamblen)
Wine Merchant
Don't forget that this earlier Henry, born 19 Dec 1868, died the following year.

Interesting jonw65.
I wonder if the surname can be looked at a bit more carefully?
The same way that there appeared to be a GRO error as the surname was actually entered incorrectly misreading the last 3 letters.
I'm going to try and order some digital images.
So thanks to all the GRO references
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Henry Hamblin 1872-1948
« Reply #177 on: Saturday 15 July 23 20:01 BST (UK) »
The possible third child. Her BC might help? :-\
June 1874 Pancras 1b 60
Beale, Maria Hamblen
Hamblen, Maria Hamblen

new GRO index will only have one indexing, under the father's name
June 1874 Pancras 1b 60
Hamblen, Maria Hamblen
mother's maiden surname Beale
Sadly young Maria seems to have died in Holborn district the following year.

B.Cert. lets see, probably order one.
Maria passed away in 1875?
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #178 on: Saturday 15 July 23 20:09 BST (UK) »
Hi
Don't forget that Richmond Parka ordered both the birth and death certificates for Maria Hamblen Beale, and kindly posted all the information on them in Reply #159.

1881 census, I think Henry is enumerated as Collins simply because that was the name of his step father. Often happens. Whether he was known in childhood as Collins or Hamblen/Hamblin is impossible to say.
Jon

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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #179 on: Sunday 16 July 23 14:35 BST (UK) »
It occurs to me (best guess) the final Hamblin interpretation, likely  due to my Grandfather living in the Collins household before he entered school. I doubt that his mother or stepfather were that literate.
He had no living Hamblen siblings or father to firmly peg his surname on.

From dictation, entering school life "Hamblen"/"Hamblin" is a 50/50 bet, the latter option taken down & stuck. I doubt if he himself ever became aware.

First 100% sighting of adult Henry Hamblin was 1901 census, already with 4 children, I know to be correct.

However,  in the 1891 census there was a Harry Hamblin boarder 21?  at 7, Carlow St. . Hackney Carriage Driver. fillet attached.
This Henry was born in 1872, he'd only be 19, that's very young to have acquired knowledge, in that this was his father's occupation, it then becomes plausible.  Carlow St NW1 is close enough to St Pancras. Harry/Henry being synonymous.
Any thoughts?

 
Just to flesh this out to date in human terms, from personal knowledge. Henry was most certainly  literate, his only vice's  broadsheet's & dry biographies. Three of his sons went on too be motorised London cabbies, he reluctantly switched too from his beloved horses.

Here is an odd anomaly, of his 11 children, 6 boys only one Hamblin survives today aged 90.
 So mispelling won't rock many boats. :)