Henry C. Hamblin

[jonwarrn]

Hi heywood
No, I don't think there are any more that lived. Henry the first born 1868, and I hope Maria born 1874, are the others, but they both died as infants.

There is a Maria Beal, 22, bar maid in Holborn in 1871. Might be her, perhaps.

[johnP-bedford]

Found this baptism at St.George the Martyr, Camden on 12 Sept 1880 of Stephen Henry, son of Samuel Henry & Maria Collins, cab driver of 31 Gt.Ormond Yard (born 17 June 1879).

It's the same area as to where Samuel & Maria Collins & family were on 1881 census, but this child isn't listed and I've not found a death/burial for him as yet, nor have I found his birth index.     

[jonwarrn]

Samuel Henry Collins on that baptism, 12 Sep 1880
Yes, it says he was born 17 June 1879

But he was registered as Samuel William!
COLLINS, SAMUEL  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HAMBLER 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 645

[jonwarrn]

Maria Beale lived in Manchester Street, Pancras.
Birth date etc., not known yet....

She was born in 1849. Mum was Elmira Parker (who was baptized in Norfolk in 1816)
BEALE, MARIA  ELIZABETH     
Mother's Maiden Surname: PARKER 
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS  Volume 01  Page 276

So I'm to understand that Maria Beale possibly had three children by a guy also with a surname Hamblen, and it appears he could have been a wine merchant, called Jacob Henry Hamblen?

He is named as Henry Hamblen (says Hambler) on the birth certificate of the first child, but I think he could be Jacob Henry, yes.

So with three children Maria Beale, used the surname of the assumed father Hamblen.
Might there have been a possible marriage to Mr J. H. Hamblen?

No, she was a spinster when she married Mr. Collins later (despite using the Hamblen name)
Jacob Henry Hamblen was already married to Julia. I think they may have split up, but can't be sure at the moment.

We then learn that Maria Hamblen (nee Beale not used) married a Samuel Collins.
Date/Year known?

Samuel and Maria married 21 April 1877, and I posted the image in Reply #134

[jonwarrn]

There is a Maria Beal, 22, bar maid in Holborn in 1871. Might be her, perhaps.

I think it says bar maid, there is a tea maid enumerated next.
She is not that far from Great Ormond Yard (to the north) where her parents are, and where she and the Collins family are in 1881.

That place at 21 Red Lion Street is a coffee house in the PO London Directory. Proprietor Henry Clifford, who is the head in 1871 census, which says he is a Hotel Keeper

There are 104 hits for Maria Beale in the newspapers in 1865
Looking at one, she is giving evidence at in inquest into the murders of three boys at Starr's Coffee House, Red Lion Street, where she was living and working as a tea room maid.
No age given for her, but she describes a colleague of hers as "another young girl"

The proprietor of Starr's Coffee House was Henry Clifford
Mrs. Clifford is also mentioned.
Again, Henry Clifford was in the 1865 PO London Directory at 21 Red Lion Street with the coffee rooms.
So it would appear to be the same Maria*.

*But I don't know for sure if it is "our" Maria that's in Red Lion Street!

[janan]

Samuel Henry Collins on that baptism, 12 Sep 1880
Yes, it says he was born 17 June 1879

But he was registered as Samuel William!
COLLINS, SAMUEL  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HAMBLER 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 645

He is with Samuel and Maria in 1891 as Willie age 12, so I think he must be the William who appears with them in 1881 with wrong age given. He marries Julia Davies in 1908 as William Samuel Police constable in Clerkenwell. He is with Julia in 1911 as William and in 1939 as Samuel W (birthdate 18 June 1879). Not sure what the Henry was about!

[Richmond Parka]

Hi again & thank you all for your continued interest. Appologies, very rusty navigating quote.

I will remain  "lurking" with great interst . Really do apriciate all of this.

Replying to jonw65 #151 post. Re. Henry Hamblin Beale younger sister Maria BC may help.

Ordered her death cert too.

Please find “Maria’s Hamblin” birth certificate, “Maria Hamblen Beale” death cert details,  from GRO image.

BIRTH:
Where were born: 10 March 1874, 2 Manchester St.
Name if any:             Maria Hamblen.
Sex:                            Girl.
Name father:            Henry Hamblen.
Name mother:          Maria Beale.
Rank prof father.      Merchant  Clerk.

Signature, Description Res informant:
H. Hamblen, Occupier, 2 Manchester Street, Pancras.

When Reg.   18 April 1874   
- - - - - - - - - - — - - - - -

DEATH:
Where when died:  28 Aug 1875, 13 Gt Ormond yard
Name surname:     Maria Hamblen Beale
Sex:                         Female
Age:                         1 year & 6 months
Rank & prof:            Daughter of Maria Beal a Domestic Servant.
Cause:                     Meningitis
Informant:   Maria Beale, mother present at death, 13, Gt Ormond Yard, Queen Square.

[jonwarrn]

BIRTH:
Where were born: 10 March 1874, 2 Manchester St.
Name if any:             Maria Hamblen.
Sex:                            Girl.
Name father:            Henry Hamblen.
Name mother:          Maria Beale.
Rank prof father.      Merchant  Clerk.

Signature, Description Res informant:
H. Hamblen, Occupier, 2 Manchester Street, Pancras.

Hi RP
Welcome back!
Great info, well done. I think that clinches it, because the probate record for Jacob Henry said

Jacob Henry Hamblen
Formerly of 16 Albion Villas, Albion Road, Dalston, Middlesex, Merchant
Late of 2 Manchester Street, Grays Inn Lane, Merchant's clerk
Died 16 August at 2 Manchester Street

[janan]

Just for completeness -
Julia Hamblin is living at 14 Gloucester Rd (the same address as she is living at when Jacob Henry Hamlin dies in 1874) in 1871, 81 and 91 - in household of Charles Saxton (transcribed as Sartow in 1871) solicitor born 1813. In 1871 her grandmother Sarah Hawkins is also there (as she is in 1861).
Julia remarried in 1896 to Walter Lethbridge - I think a very shakey Charles could be a witness.

As she is at 14 Gloucester Rd in 1871 it does suggest she left Jacob Henry.

There is also a London Gazette entry for 1866 for bankruptcy for Jacob Henry Hamblin