Henry C. Hamblin

[Calpe 1704]

The parents ... Henry William Hamblin married Elizabeth Stenhouse at St.George Hanover Square in Dec 1865. On 1871 census they were living at 5or7 Little George street, Chelsea with 3 children, he was age 27 a Baker. On 1881 census they are at 6 Spencer Road St.Pancras with 4 children (1 from 1871 & 3 more including Harry age 7, one from 1871 is Henry George born 1870 & not with them in 1881, so assumed died). Henry William is age 36 born Newbury, Berks 7 a Railway Signalman. Ancestry has Railway Employment record for him, he started at St.Pancras in 1875 age 32 as a pointsman. Baptism records for 5 of the children show him as a pointsman, their address 6 Fleet Mews, 4 were done at St.Saviours Middx on 15 Apr 1878, showing birth dates, Harry is born on 16 Dec 1873 which matches your birth certificate. 

Henry William  Hamblin was informant on his wife Elizabeth Hamblin nee Stenhouse death cert who died of typhoid  at their address: 1, Salisbury Road  Islington 03/01/1889 aged 45. Death Reg 05/01/1889.

03-07-2023
Apologies, i'm lost.
Who is this Henry William Hamblin? He is who's father or son?

I know of a Henry George Hamblin, born 05-01-1896.
This is one of Henry Cyril Hamblin's sons.

[Calpe 1704]

There was one last child born to the Hamblin -Stenhouse family.
1886 Ernest . Islington. M   01B pg 219
Although negative, there is an object to this.
To disprove possible link between  Harry Hamblin born 1873 St Pancras & H.H Cabbie St Pancras 1891 census once & for all.
Finding  1873 Harry approx 18 still with his father in 1891 would certainly do this.
These Harry's probably one person was first suggested 10 + years back & remains plausible.
Chances of a marriage between Henry & Beatrice was always vanishingly small.
Circumstantial past seems as good as it gets for Grandad Henry? Hamblin, he spent his last six years in our home never uttering a word of his past. As in the rest of his life. As did his wife Beatrice.
I'll put final findings together next re. 1891 census.

03-07-2023
Sorry but i'm lost on this Hamblin-Stenhouse connection

[Calpe 1704]

On 1901 census living as a boarder at 43 St.George's Avenue, Islington we have Harry Hamblin, widower, age 56 Signalman Midland Railway.
His wife Emma Hamblin has death index in Islington RD in Sept 1896 age 38, and a burial at Islington on 27 July 1896.
Also I've found another, not yet mentioned Hamblin/Stenhouse birth in Hampstead RD in Sept 1880 of a son Arthur Stephen, who has a death index in the same RD/quarter aged 0
Not found Harry Hamblin in 1911 census as yet. Cheers John

03-07-2023
Again, apologies, i think ive missed something here Hamblin-Stenhouse

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I have a copy of the father Henry William Hamblin's Will, dated 26 October 1926 probate 1st Mar 1927, he left  his entire Estate £137 to exeutar Emily Osbourne 28 Somerset Rd Tottenham.
His address on Will is 70 Clinton Rd  Harringay Middx. Retired Railway servant.
Possibly daughter Emily Maude born 1882 St Pancras? She is informant, they are both found  living at same address's  on his death cert.

Thought I'd tidy up this loose end although we now know this may not be the Henry/Harry Hamblin father of the HH who "married" Beatrice Turner....
About executor & informant Emily Osbourne, she is not daughter Emily Maude...
At 28 Somerset Road Tottenham as per the London Electoral Rolls from 1928 onwards is Emily May Osborne along with Frederick William Osborn, initially I though it was her husband but she was a widow on the Probate entry, so deduced it may be her son. The next year 1929 we also get Winifred May Osborn, deduced this to be her daughter just reached age 21 perhaps. Looking at birth indexes found these children, Frederick Mar 1901 & Winifred June 1903, in Islington RD. From the GRO the mother's maiden name was Wattam. Found marriage index in west Ham RD in June 1893 of Frederick Robert Osborne to Emily May Wattam and also other Osborne/Wattam children. Frederick died 9 Apr 1918 age 47, his probate says address was Sudeley Stables, Dalmeney Road, Tuffnell Park, proceeds to widow Emily Osborne. .     

03-07-2023
Are we barking up the wrong tree?

[Calpe 1704]

Has this person ever been mentioned?

Have you thought about/investigated anything in Reply #69?

03-07-2023
We are assuming that Henry Cyril Hamblin was born 1869-1873~ in St. Pancras.
I only hope that there are no typos or better still errors by Registrar's.
If there was a marriage then it could have taken place between 1901-1906 as suggested by johnP-bedford post#8.
We do know for sure that he his partner/wife was Beatrice Lillian Turner, born 7 Sept. 1872 in Luton. She passed away 27 Feb, 1944.

Thank you for that post but initially i would like to avoid similarities.

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03-07-2023
Why is everything a money spinner?
You have to have subscription for this to see....A
Then you need subscription for....B
Not forgetting subscription for C too.
There appears no practical (non-subscription) way to see any Census

Family Search have the census transcriptions - no charge.  FreeBMD have BMD records for England and Wales - no charge.
Don't know much about Family Search BUT I do know that FreeBMD relies totally on transcribers who do the work for NOTHING. 
Plus, if you live in England I believe that you can access a lot of subscription sites at your Library - no charge. 
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I don't live in England and our Library would not have that facility.
I'll have a dig in those sites you've kindly listed, thanks

[jonwarrn]

I think any marriage for Henry and Beatrice would have been found by now?
Re Henry Hamblen Beale
Do remember that Maria Beale, who must surely be his mother, married as Hamblen
Even though she said she was a spinster, and her father was William Beale!

Also that HHB was born in St. Pancras
That his step father, Samuel Collins, has exactly the same kind of occupation as your Henry Hamblin. The Beales were also working in the horse world of London.
Just the kind of background that would be perfect for the elusive Henry Hamblin.

The answer to the problem of Henry Hamblin is almost certainly something left field.
With no marriage certificate to help, at least you have the consistent St. Pancras birthplace, and hopefully that date of birth from the 1939 Register will help.

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From the 1911 Census, how can we move forward to get a Birth Certificate?

Name   Henry Hamblin
Sex   Male
Age   42
Birth Year (Estimated)   1869
Birthplace   St Pancras London, London
Marital Status   Married
Occupation   TAXI CAB DRIVER
Number in Family   8

Event Type   Census
Event Date   1911
Event Place   Chiswick, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
Event Place       (Original) Chiswick, Chiswick, Middlesex, England
Sub-District   Chiswick
Sub-District Number   5
Piece/Folio   589
Registration Number   RG14
Schedule Type   295

I've carried out searches in the G.R.Office starting with 1869 +/- 2 years,  all 4 quarters, nothing.
Went then to the other end 1873, nothing.
Tried 1872, 1871, finally 1870, nothing.
 
 

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Ive just done a search on FreeBDM. Nothing!

Type:  All
Surname: Hamblin
First name(s): Henry
Start date: Mar 1868
End date: Dec 1874
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London

On all documents his name always appears as Henry Hamblin, except in the case that Richmond Parka stated his mother's marriage certificate does show his middle name as Cyril