Henry C. Hamblin

[johnP-bedford]

On 1901 census living as a boarder at 43 St.George's Avenue, Islington we have Harry Hamblin, widower, age 56 Signalman Midland Railway.

His wife Emma Hamblin has death index in Islington RD in Sept 1896 age 38, and a burial at Islington on 27 July 1896.

Also I've found another, not yet mentioned Hamblin/Stenhouse birth in Hampstead RD in Sept 1880 of a son Arthur Stephen, who has a death index in the same RD/quarter aged 0

Not found Harry Hamblin in 1911 census as yet

Cheers John 

[Richmond Parka]

Exellent thanks John, I neglected mentioning another Hamblin-Stenhouse birth.
1878 Agness Mary, Hampstead S 01A pg 650.

[janan]

There is a Henry Willam Hamblin on electoral roll at Carleton Rd Islington 1908 -1921 so should be there in 1911 but haven't yet found him.

[johnP-bedford]

I was just looking at that Janan, wasn't he listed as being at The Stables to the rear of 47 Carleton Road. I have found that address on 1911 census & as you say he's not there, but the other names on Electoral Roll are on the census.

[janan]

He must have been out!

Just found this, not sure if it has already been posted

Hamblin Henry William 70 Clinton Road Harringay Middlesex died 11 January 1927 Probate London 1 March to Emily Osbourne widow. Effects £137 16s 1d

[Richmond Parka]

This is not adding much.
I have a copy of the father Henry William Hamblin's Will, dated 26 October 1926 probate 1st Mar 1927, he left  his entire Estate £137 to exeutar Emily Osbourne 28 Somerset Rd Tottenham.
His address on Will is 70 Clinton Rd  Harringay Middx. Retired Railway servant.
Possibly daughter Emily Maude born 1882 St Pancras? She is informant, they are both found  living at same address's  on his death cert.
His  death cert 1927 placed 70, Clinton Rd in Tottenham. not Harringay as stated in the will.
He is named Henry William Hamblin in both, Harry now dropped.

[jonwarrn]

Has this person ever been mentioned?
I do not think him particularly likely, perhaps a little young (especially re age of Harry the hackney carriage driver in 1891 and age of Henry on the last census).

But having tried to find out a bit about who he was, I'll post it anyway, if we are also trying to eliminate people in the hope that we might be left with somebody who could be our Henry!

A birth in Pancras
Sep 1872 1b 61
Beale, Henry Hamblen
mother's maiden surname —

Appears to be illegitimate. Indexed as Henry Kamblen Beale on the new GRO index.
I failed to find any baptism for him.

There was another one a couple of years later, she was indexed twice by the GRO
June 1874 Pancras 1b 60
Beale, Maria Hamblen
Hamblen, Maria Hamblen

So perhaps illegitimate again, with father named? They changed the rules about that around then. Anyway, if so, we know from experience on Rootschat that the new GRO index will only have one indexing, under the father's name
June 1874 Pancras 1b 60
Hamblen, Maria Hamblen
mother's maiden surname Beale

Though I am surprised to see a mother's maiden name given.
Sadly young Maria seems to have died in Holborn district the following year.

Then there is a marriage at St Saviour, St Pancras (on ancestry)
21 April 1877
Samuel Henry Collins, 28, bachelor, Coachman
+
Maria Hamblen, 27, spinster, father William Beale, Coachman

And they are living in St George Martyr, Holborn, in 1881
Samuel Collins a Coachman, born Clerkenwell, and Maria, 31, and four children, all born Bloomsbury.
Include son Henry, 8, and there is also her mother Elmira Beale with them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-1RTD

Second page
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-15ZF

Could 8 year old Henry Collins be Henry Hamblen Beale?
There is also a 6 year old daughter Elizabeth, not sure of her birth, and she might spoil things a bit re Maria Hamblen Beale b 1874.

1891 they are in Holborn
piece 219 folio 99 page 12

Can't find them on FamilySearch
Samuel Collins is 43, a parcel post driver, Maria is 42
There are four children. No Henry with them, they have a son Alfred born since the last census.

If alive, Henry may of course be anywhere, and if under the Collins name he might be hard to find in the census.

[Richmond Parka]

To me looks like a classic. He ran away to sea.

ADM 188/205/145174   
Description:   
Name   Hamblin, Harry
Official Number:   145174
Place of Birth:   Saint Pancras, Middlesex
Date of Birth:   16 December 1872

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6670947

His service record signed up 16 Dec. 12yrs in 1891. pensioned in 1912.
Rejoined senior service for WW1, finally demob. 1919.
Looks like he signed up on his 17th Birthday & fibbed about his age.


Details from Harry's birth cert. Fire up the shredder.

1874 BIRTHS District of : Kentish Town,  County: Middlesex
When where born: 16/12/1873 - 3, Ingestre Rd, Name: Harry,Sex: BOY
Name father: Henry William Hamblin
Name/ MN Mother Elizabeth Hamblin, Formerly Stenhouse. Prof. Father Baker

Note: NA downloads are free in fair usage due to Covid.
The WW1 diaries are the definite jewel there.

[Richmond Parka]

Trying to scavenge a positive takeaway.
The 1891 Harry boarder being 23 works with my Grandfathers known
personal profile as a lifelong cab driver, from St Pancras, he had a horse ("Hack")  in my mothers childhood. 23 works mainly due to the notoriously difficult Knowledge introduced in 1865, takes 3 to 4 years to pass. I think the record to date is a 19yr old.
Any 18 yr old would most likely be a student of The Knowledge even given the short secondary education .