Henry C. Hamblin

[jonwarrn]

The digital image of the Birth Certificate shows: -
Born - 01/06/1872
Name - Henry Hamblem
Mother - Maria Beale, Manchester Street, Pancras
Father - Blank.

That's excellent. It matches the date of birth he gave in the 1939 Register.
Why then did he say he was older in some of the census records?

Its strange that somewhere down the line Henry Hamblem dropped his surname 'Beale'.
Why would that be?

Another strange thing is that after Maria married Samuel Collins the birth registrations of the children have her maiden surname as Hamblen.
And of course she married as Maria Hamblen, spinster, father William Beale!

I wonder if there is a Marriage Registration/Certificate of Henry Hamblin [Hamblem] (Beale) and registered somewhere to Beatrice Lilian Turner?

It would be wonderful, but I fear there isn't one.
Maria's parents were William Beale and Elmira Parker (she is with them in St. Pancras in 1851, age 1)
But I can't see a marriage for William and Elmira either

[Calpe 1704]

Its strange that somewhere down the line Henry Hamblem dropped his surname 'Beale'.
Why would that be?
Surely that would have to be certified officially somewhere?

A person can call themselves anything they like
Just as long as it isn't for purposes of fraud or deception.
And, he dropped hid MIDDLE name of Beale, not his surname?!

Calling themselves anything? Quite strange. Would have thought a name as such needed to be registered?
Nope, his first two forenames were Henry Hamblem, he dropped his surname Beale.
Very strange, must have had a reason for doing that?

[Calpe 1704]

See post 124

Is the second forename H A M B L E M  or  H A M B L E N ??

Looking at it a bit more carefully i would say it's H A M B L E N ...............

[KGarrad]

Its strange that somewhere down the line Henry Hamblem dropped his surname 'Beale'.
Why would that be?
Surely that would have to be certified officially somewhere?

A person can call themselves anything they like
Just as long as it isn't for purposes of fraud or deception.
And, he dropped hid MIDDLE name of Beale, not his surname?!

Calling themselves anything? Quite strange. Would have thought a name as such needed to be registered?
Nope, his first two forenames were Henry Hamblem, he dropped his surname Beale.
Very strange, must have had a reason for doing that?

Not strange at all!
It was quite common for an illegitimate child's middle name to be the surname of the putative father.

[jonwarrn]

There seem to be three Hamblen Beale births (if we include the first one indexed Hambler in 1869)
We don't know that the same man was the father of all three children.
Only that Maria used the surname Hamblen when she married.

[jonwarrn]

Death under Beale
Sep 1869 Holborn 1b 407
Beale, Henry Hambler
Age 0

OK, we have a burial for him
18 Sep 1869, Victoria Park Cemetery
Henry Hambler Beale
Age 9 months
Address 13 Gt Ormond Yard Holborn

That is where William and Elmira Beale are in the 1871 census.

[jonwarrn]

Birth indexed twice on old GRO index
March 1869 Holborn 1b 596
Beale, Henry Hambler
Hambler, Henry Hambler

New GRO birth index, just the once
HAMBLER, HENRY  HAMBLER     
Mother's Maiden Surname:  —
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in OF HOLBORN  Volume 01B  Page 596

So is there going to be a father named on this birth registration?
Indexed twice originally, suggests yes.
But mother's maiden surname blank on new index.

Whoever Mr. Hamblen (or Hambler!) was, whether the father of Henry 2 or not, the answer might be out there!

[Calpe 1704]

I think any marriage for Henry and Beatrice would have been found by now?
Re Henry Hamblen Beale
Do remember that Maria Beale, who must surely be his mother, married as Hamblen
Even though she said she was a spinster, and her father was William Beale!
Also that HHB was born in St. Pancras
That his step father, Samuel Collins, has exactly the same kind of occupation as your Henry Hamblin. The Beales were also working in the horse world of London.
Just the kind of background that would be perfect for the elusive Henry Hamblin.
The answer to the problem of Henry Hamblin is almost certainly something left field.
With no marriage certificate to help, at least you have the consistent St. Pancras birthplace, and hopefully that date of birth from the 1939 Register will help.

This sadly slipped past me as so important posts do, not realising the importance of the contents.
Mary Beale as we now know is Henry Hamblen's mother, and no name for the father.

jonw65, you tell us that she married as 'Hamblen'. How do we know that?
Also you kindly tell us that Mary's father was William Beale. May i ask from where did you find this information? He is my 3rd Great Grandfather!

I'm sorry but you've lost me with 'That his step father, Samuel Collins'.
May i ask from where you obtained this valuable piece of information?
Also that  'The Beales were also working in the horse world of London'.

Thanks

[jonwarrn]

Hi
I've attached the marriage.
Hope you can see it.