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Henry Cyril Hamblin
« Reply #108 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 15:46 BST (UK) »
I think any marriage for Henry and Beatrice would have been found by now?
Re Henry Hamblen Beale
Do remember that Maria Beale, who must surely be his mother, married as Hamblen
Even though she said she was a spinster, and her father was William Beale!
Also that HHB was born in St. Pancras
That his step father, Samuel Collins, has exactly the same kind of occupation as your Henry Hamblin. The Beales were also working in the horse world of London.
Just the kind of background that would be perfect for the elusive Henry Hamblin.
The answer to the problem of Henry Hamblin is almost certainly something left field.
With no marriage certificate to help, at least you have the consistent St. Pancras birthplace, and hopefully that date of birth from the 1939 Register will help.

04-07-2023
jonw65, this is what i was dreading for elusive Henry, a variation of name. How on earth would the name have become to what was used on official documents Henry (C) Hamblin?

So after a FreeBDM (God Bless them) search:-
BIRTHS SEPT. 1872
Surname: Beale
Given name: Henry Hamblen
District: Pancras
Vol.: 1b
Page: 61

Based on this information i have also done a search in the G.R.Office.
Nothing!

Suggestions please.
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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Re: Henry Cyril Hamblin
« Reply #109 on: Thursday 06 July 23 19:46 BST (UK) »
Whilst in 1901 & 1911 Henry Hamblin has Beatrice (nee Turner) as wife we haven't found a marriage index for them. 1911 says they were married for 20 years which suggests it was in 1891. The first daughter listed Violet (Mary Ellen) Hamblin we've established was born on 18 June 1891 in Pancras to mother Beatrice Lilian Turner (no father on birth certificate) & the GRO index has mother's maiden name blank. There is no proof that Henry Hamblin is the father.
The next child Henry George birth index is in Mar 1896 Fulham RD born Hammersmith as per census. Henry & all subsequent children on the censuses plus those born after 1911 have mother's maiden name of Turner. They may not have married but if they did it would be between 1901 & 1906.  Perhaps get the birth cert of Henry George to get more information.   
The child who was dead as per 1911 census was Charles Cyril Hamblin born Sept 1902, mother's maiden name of Turner. & died aged 0 years in Mar 1903, both Kensington RD.
Henry Hamblin's occupation in 1911 Taxi cab driver & in 1901 Hackney carriage driver as is the occupation of Harry Hamblin found in 1891, so suggesting that they are same person.
Regards John

03-07-2023
John, very interesting to read that no father was entered on all those Birth Certificates and that Charles Cyril (Hamblin) born Sept 1902, shows mother's maiden name of Turner.
Richard Parka found this death Cert. which does list Henry Hamblin as father, the baby having died 10-01-1903.
Also Richard Parka found birth Cert, for the 2nd child, Henry George Hamblin (born 05-01-1896), father is Henry Hamblin, mother Beatrice Lillian Hamblin formerly Turner. As Henry Hamblin is listed as father in 1896 what does this tells us?

Hi Calpe, good to see that you're back on this quest....

Onwards to 1921 census at 5 St.Peter's Grove Hammersmith (that address tallys with London Electoral Roll entries) we have Henry Hamblin age 52 (1869) born London, taxi driver and wife Beatrice age 49 plus 8 children born 1897 thru to 1916. All the children born 1896 to 1916 as mentioned on 1901/1911/1921 census have mother's maiden name = Turner as per GRO birth enquiry, however the first child Violet Mabel Ellen was registered as Turner in Sept 1891 & not Hamblin, so we don't know if her biological father was Henry Hamblin. Was there ever a marriage for Violet after 1911 where the certificate might name her father?   

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Re: Henry Cyril Hamblin
« Reply #110 on: Thursday 06 July 23 20:40 BST (UK) »
So after a FreeBDM (God Bless them) search:-
BIRTHS SEPT. 1872
Surname: Beale
Given name: Henry Hamblen
District: Pancras
Vol.: 1b
Page: 61

Based on this information i have also done a search in the G.R.Office.
Nothing!

He is there
BEALE, HENRY  KAMBLEN 
Mother's Maiden Surname:  
GRO Reference: 1872  S Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 61

They seem to have misread Hamblen as Kamblen.
It appears that no father will be named.
The big news today is that, if you are curious enough, you can now get a digital image from the GRO for just £2.50
"Image available to view once payment is complete and a link to the image is provided on the order confirmation screen"

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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #111 on: Thursday 06 July 23 20:43 BST (UK) »
I used that today for a relative - it was very quick.
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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #112 on: Thursday 06 July 23 21:02 BST (UK) »
I used that today for a relative - it was very quick.

Thank you :)
I hope it was illuminating as well!
I've thought about having a go, but I can't decide which one to get :-\

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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #113 on: Thursday 06 July 23 21:09 BST (UK) »
Yes, it solved part of a problem as the birthdate confirmed she was my aunt but family complications were not resolved through parent names. No father was named.
I now keep thinking I might try a couple more. ;)
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Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« Reply #114 on: Thursday 06 July 23 21:20 BST (UK) »
Good luck!
I don't have those kind of mysteries in my families, unfortunately. Such a boring lot!

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Henry Cyril Hamblin
« Reply #115 on: Saturday 08 July 23 15:33 BST (UK) »
In reply to JohnP-bedford post 110. I'd rather not quote to avoid too much text and perhaps making a mess.

Good afternoon, (08/07/2023) sorry for the slow reply.
I need to check through these posts one by one to take on board new information and maybe add some information myself that Richmond Parka has also helped with.

The 1911 Census shows Henry Hamblin as Head of family aged 42, born St Pancras, London, and signed by him.
Completed years of the present marriage has lasted - 20.
Beatrice Hamblin - Wife, age 38, born Luton.
1st of 8 children alive listed was Violet Hamblin, age 19, born St Pancras.

Checking Violet Mabel Ellen's birth certificate we can see that she was born 18/06/1891 in Pancras. Mother's maiden named is Beatrice Lilian Turner. No entry of father.

1911 Census shows us the 2nd child was Henry Hamblin, age 15, born Hammersmith.
Henry Hamblin's birth certificate shows us, born 05/01/1896, name Henry George, father Henry Hamblin (cab driver), mother Beatrice Lillian Hamblin formerly Turner, living in Shepherds Bush.

As for Henry Hamblin & Beatrice Turner's marriage & certificate, i'm afraid to say i do not have this information. I can only assume that a marriage did take place and perhaps it could have been in the Pancras, Hammersmith, Fulham or Shepherds Bush areas.
I did a search for them from 1891 to 1906 using FreeBDM nothing came up.

I've just dug up a photocopy i had put away, of the Irish marriage certificate, dated 4th April 1920 of Mary Violet Hamblin (Violet Mabel Ellen Turner) with a James Clare. Her address was Peters Place, Hammersmith, father Henry Hamblin, taxi driver.





Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain

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« Reply #116 on: Saturday 08 July 23 15:57 BST (UK) »
So after a FreeBDM (God Bless them) search:-
BIRTHS SEPT. 1872; Surname: Beale; Given name: Henry Hamblen
District: Pancras; Vol.: 1b; Page: 61
Based on this information i have also done a search in the G.R.Office.
Nothing!

He is there
BEALE, HENRY  KAMBLEN 
Mother's Maiden Surname:  
GRO Reference: 1872  S Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 61

They seem to have misread Hamblen as Kamblen.
It appears that no father will be named.
The big news today is that, if you are curious enough, you can now get a digital image from the GRO for just £2.50
"Image available to view once payment is complete and a link to the image is provided on the order confirmation screen"

What can i say JohnP-bedford, apart from many thanks!
Can i please clarify this information?
So the Hackney Carriage Driver born in Pancras married to Beatrice Lillian Turner was: -
Henry (first name) Hamblen (middle name) Beale (surname).
This is unbelievable! How the hell are there so may typo errors? These people were 'well paid' government officials! And to mis-spell a persons name is not forgiven.   
So if his name was actually Henry Hamblen Beale, how could it be that on all his documents this actual name has never been seen.
What happened to 'Beale'?

I'm going to get a digital image copy!
Ireland:-
Clare/Claire - Dublin / Wexford
Ferrissey - Waterford
Mooney - Waterford
Murphy - Waterford
Phelan - Waterford
Power - Waterford
Veale - Waterford

England:-
Brandon - Liverpool
Beale (Hamblin/Hamblen) - London?
Reed - Bedfordshire
Turner - Luton
Taylor - Bedfordshire

Spain & Italy:-
Beneroso - Cadiz or Malaga, Spain
Risotto - Genoa, Italy
Santos - Cadiz, Spain