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St. Mary's/Clonmel
« on: Thursday 09 July 20 10:22 BST (UK) »
Good Morning !
I have found my family's births in St.Mary's/Clonmel Parish.  Yet when I try to search for them in 1901 census, St.Mary's/Clonmel doesn't exist.  Pleasse advise.  Thank you.  Barbara.

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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 July 20 10:38 BST (UK) »
I presume you have tried by name?
Is there a townland in the baptism records?
Does this help?

https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=2295&county=Tipperary&civilparish=St.%20Marys,%20Clonmel
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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 July 20 11:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you for responding.
No townland was given in the baptisms.  In Griffiths, I think I have the father narrowed down to 4.  Those townlands are Thomas St, Shelmaden's Lane, Irishtown and Healey's Lane. It's the 1901 that is giving me trouble.  When I type those in, I get nothing.  Thanks for your help.

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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 July 20 11:27 BST (UK) »
Change the county to Waterford.
St Mary's is/was in or near to Irishtown.
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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 July 20 12:36 BST (UK) »
I just tried that and still nothing.  Thanks for the suggestion though.

Is there any chance that by 1901 the parish was extinct, aka gone?

Or, I see Clonmel, not St.Mary's/Clonmel.  Any chance they are the same?

Thanks.

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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 July 20 13:06 BST (UK) »

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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 July 20 13:07 BST (UK) »
Do you have a name to search? Could we help?
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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 09 July 20 13:49 BST (UK) »
I would love you to help.  This is so confusing to me.  Thank you !!!

Michael Ryan and Catherine Keating have 4 children in St Mary's/Clonmel, Tipperary: James, John, Timothy, Maria:1835-1843. THEN, I discover that they actually had 3 more but these children got listed under St. Mary's/Clonmel, Waterford !!  Brigid, Catherine, William, 1837-1849.  That totally confused me.

Then I went to look for Michael Ryan in Griffiths. I find 4 possibilities in St. Mary's/Clonmel, Tipperary, living in townlands Thomas Street, Shelmaden's Lane, Irishtown, and Healy's Lane.

Next I tried to find all 4 of these in the 1901 census.  Here's here I got really confused.  There is no St.Mary's/Clonmel at all in the 1901 census.  There's Clonmel alone, but isn't that a separate town somewhere else?  What happened to St. Mary's/Clonmel?

I just want to find the family in Griffith's and the censuses and at some point the Revision books to see if the homestead stayed in the family.  (I need to figure out who stayed and who is here in USA.)

Thank you so much for the offer to help. Anything you can offer will be greatly appreciated.
Barbara
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Re: St. Mary's/Clonmel
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 09 July 20 14:32 BST (UK) »
First you have to understand that there are 3 types of Parishes in Ireland
The Civil Parish which is usually but not always the same as the Church of Ireland Parish
St.Mary's Clonmel Civil Parish
https://www.townlands.ie/waterford/st-marys-clonmel/
Than you have the Roman Catholic parishes which are usually much bigger than the Civil or COI parishes
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1102
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