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Missing Randerson family from Saxton in early 1800s
« on: Monday 29 June 20 01:55 BST (UK) »
I thought I had my 3 x great grandfather John Randerson's parentage sorted until I found out he probably couldn't be the son of William Randerson (1785 -1845) and Elizabeth Hartley of Leeds.
I thought I had found an obscured baptism in Leeds St Peter records dated 24 February 1805 for John son of William (it looked like Randerson with a blot on it, but it could very well have been Robinson now I look at it again). I adopted this baptism as my John Randerson's even though that William Randerson had not married Elizabeth Hartley until 24 Jun 1805.
Some researchers think that my John Randerson, who lived out his life as a labourer in East Keswick and Bardsey, and who gave his birth place in census for 1851 and 1861 as Saxton and East Keswick respectively, was the one born to William and Elizabeth in Leeds in 1807. However, I have just found a burial for this John Randerson in St John the Evangelist church, Leeds, in 1829 at the age of 21.
Also there are marriages at Saxton-in-Elmet of Ellen or Eleanor Randerson to John Addinell in 1832 and Ann Randerson to Joe Simpson in 1833, but no births around 1810 in Saxton area for these women.
My great great great grandfather only had one son whom he named Joseph. Is this a clue to the name of his father?
I have found a DNA link that is quite remote to a person descended from William Randerson and Hannah Dunston from the Doncaster area. I do not know whether Randerson is where our DNA coincides so it is very hard to draw any conclusions from this.
Can anyone please help with ideas of where this ancestor of mine could have been born? ???
JohnRanderson-Catholic baptism Garforth/Aberford 1806-1862 E.Keswick YKS marr'dEliz.Kirby Bardsey1831
Combe/Combs/Coombe Winchcombe,7HamptonGLS
Combs Broadway Worc1788->
Hartley - Guiseley Yorkshire, Chapeltown, Leeds,
Townend - Castleford, Colton,Whitkirk
Bacon - STS(Uttoxeter) GLS
Ann Hirons d1873 Tewkesburyaged 92
Sarah Smith m'd John Birdsall 1827 Rothwell YKS
Randerson, Fawcett, Kirby nr Harewood YKS 1700->
Marchants Sussex/Middlesex/Illinois
Walsh, Collins, Hogan, Roscmon Ireland

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Re: Missing Randerson family from Saxton in early 1800s
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 June 20 11:13 BST (UK) »
No trace of a birth record for John Born 1806 =  Saxton and East Keswick 1841/1851/1861
Maybe the record has not survived. The following might help others?

John Randerson of Bardsey to Elizabeth Kirby
Marriage 26 Dec 1831 Harewood, All Saints

Children born/baptised Bardsey, All Hallows
Mary Randerson 7 Nov 1833/29 Dec 1833
Ann Randerson 16 May 1836/2 Oct 1836
Ruth Randerson 25 Nov 1838/30 Sep 1839
Joseph Randerson 29 May 1841/3 Oct 1841
Faith Randerson 8 Feb 1844/28 Sep 1844
Charlotte Randerson 24 May 1847/11 Jun 1848


Colin

Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

Offline BushInn1746

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Re: Missing Randerson family from Saxton in early 1800s
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 July 20 08:48 BST (UK) »
Some researchers think that my John Randerson, who lived out his life as a labourer in East Keswick and Bardsey, and who gave his birth place in census for 1851 and 1861 as Saxton and East Keswick respectively, was the one born to William and Elizabeth in Leeds in 1807.

I started at archives trawling Directories / Electoral Roll volumes, Census microfilms and GRO Index fiche to buy all the Death, Marriage & Birth Certificates I had not got.

I don't follow online trees, many when checked against documents have awful errors.

Somebody has even tried to change the surname HOOD to Wood (and got the poor Census image listed online as Wood). However, I already had an Official Copy GRO Certificate and now also have a photocopy of an original 1870s Full Birth Certificate from my relatives which confirms HOOD and the Father also HOOD and the Mother's nee surname, so definitely not Wood!

Those Present at Marriages
When your mystery Birth Gt Grandparent later married, in whose "Presence", i.e. who witnessed his Marriage?

Occasionally, at Marriage they can be Church officials (usually signing others), very occasionally Work colleagues or even Neighbours in the Census.

However, one or both of those Present as witnesses at many family Marriages are family surnames by marriage/s from an earlier generation, or relatives in a parallel line. So a clue might even be in a more recent Marriage Certificate too.

Census
Many Census "Visitors" (or even a "Lodger") may also be distant relatives I'm finding, so I'm working backward from an 1891 Census Visitor, who can be linked (using Register images and Wills) to a Hood family 140 years beforehand, but may even be a coincidence yet.

Also relatives are listed too if present at the Census.

Wills
Did your family leave Will/s? They may lack detail or be a wealth of family information?

Registered Wills on the Probate Registry at gov.uk after 1858, on/after the Death year (£1.50 each ordered and received online Pdf b&w).

Before 1858 at the Borthwick Institute, for Yorkshire (with a few Yorkshire ones Registered as PCC).

General
At the end of the day, I'm afraid my HOOD ancestry is a mystery about 1785 - 1786 (Dead before 1851 and no obvious Yorkshire Birth).

Nonconformist or Illegitimate or from elsewhere.

His 1815 Wedding was in two Newspapers, Overseer of the Poor one year, Registered Property and Will (all seen) etc.

I can use documents to suggest (but never confirm) a link to four other HOOD families before 1785, but without a crucial document naming my actual ancestor with his abode and linking him direct to one, he remains a mystery.

Mark

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Re: Missing Randerson family from Saxton in early 1800s
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 July 20 01:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks Col C and BushInn for your helpful answers.
I will look into some of those avenues of research and hope that a sideways approach will turn up a clue sometime somewhere.
LNC
JohnRanderson-Catholic baptism Garforth/Aberford 1806-1862 E.Keswick YKS marr'dEliz.Kirby Bardsey1831
Combe/Combs/Coombe Winchcombe,7HamptonGLS
Combs Broadway Worc1788->
Hartley - Guiseley Yorkshire, Chapeltown, Leeds,
Townend - Castleford, Colton,Whitkirk
Bacon - STS(Uttoxeter) GLS
Ann Hirons d1873 Tewkesburyaged 92
Sarah Smith m'd John Birdsall 1827 Rothwell YKS
Randerson, Fawcett, Kirby nr Harewood YKS 1700->
Marchants Sussex/Middlesex/Illinois
Walsh, Collins, Hogan, Roscmon Ireland