Hogan of Bolton

[gnorman]

Hi Rootschatter's,

this is possbily a tough one to find anything on. One of my relatives, Elizabeth Hogan lists her father as being Thomas Hogan, a shoe maker, on her marriage certificate:

1885 - Marriage solemnized at St Peter’s,
in the district of Bolton, 11th July 1885
Groom: Mark Dale, bachelor       Age: 22 years
Profession: Striper and Grinder      Address: 21 Water Street, Bolton
Grooms father: Mark Dale          Profession: Gentleman
Bride: Elizabeth Hogan, spinster      Age: 22 years   
Profession: Not Given                 Address: 25 Water Street, Bolton
Bride’s father: Thomas Hogan (DECEASED)   
Profession: Shoe Maker          Witnessed by: Nathanial & Sarah Fletcher

I have no other information for Thomas or for any other children he may have had. The earliest record I have of Elizabeth is this census record:

1881 Census, 3rd April
Address: Reused Gardens (?), Bollington, Cheshire
Name: Elizabeth Dale    Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 25 years Relation to Head of House: Wife       Occupation: N/A
Name: Mark Dale       Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 25 years Relation to Head of House: Head       Occupation: Cotton Operative
Name: Sarah Ann Dale    Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 3 years
Relation to Head of House: Daughter    Occupation: N/A
Name: Thomas Dale       Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 5 years
Relation to Head of House: Son       Occupation: Scholar

I thought he may be in a directory somewhere as a shoe maker but I've come up with nothing so far.

Please could anyone help at all?

Thank you for your time, Luke

[CaroleW]

1881 census??  Do you mean 1891?  Married 1885.

If she was born Cheshire - shouldn't you have posted on the Cheshire board?  Subject header is misleading - should be Hogan of Cheshire

[Milliepede]

Don't forget she may have made up a father's name when she got married so there is no Thomas Hogan to find. 

However finding her as a child and/or her birth registration would be something to start with.

Have you looked for her birth?

[CaroleW]

What is her birthplace in 1901 & 1911?

 Birthyear on marriage 1863 - birthyear 1891 = 1866

[gnorman]

Sorry, I obviously wasnt looking and thinking properly (it has been a long day) - is there a way of moving the thread over?

1901 Census:
Address: 15 Halle Street, Oldham
Name: Mark Dale       Place of Birth: Congleton      Age: 47 years
Relation to Head of House: Son       Occupation: Railway Goods Warehouse
Name: Elizabeth Dale    Place of Birth: Ashton      Age: 35 years Relation to Head of House: Wife       Occupation: N/A
Name: Elizabeth Dale    Place of Birth: Oldham      Age: 15 years
Relation to Head of House: Daughter    Occupation: Card Room Tenter
Name: Albert Dale       Place of Birth: Oldham      Age: 13 years Relation to Head of House: Head      Occupation: Cotton Piecer
Name: Agnes Dale       Place of Birth: Oldham      Age: 4 years
Relation to Head of House: Daughter    Occupation: N/A
Name: Herbert Dale       Place of Birth: Ashton      Age: 3 years
Relation to Head of House: Head      Occupation: N/A

1911 Census;

Address: 9 Sun Street, Oldham (4 Rooms)
Name: Mark Dale      Place of Birth: Congleton, Cheshire       Age: 50 years
Relation to Head of House: Head      Occupation: Card room Grinding
Place of Work: Not Given         Number of Years Married: 25
Number of Children Born: 5      Number of Children Living: 5
Name: Elizabeth Dale      Place of Birth: Ashton Under Lyne       Age: 44 years
Relation to Head of House: Wife      Occupation: N/A
Place of Work: At Home         Number of Years Married: 25
Name: Agnes Dale*      Place of Birth: Ashton Under Lyne       Age: 14 years Relation to Head of House: Daughter   Occupation: Little Tenter
*Later became Agnes Maddon, living at 9 Sun St in 1923 with Father
Name: Herbert Dale      Place of Birth: Stockport, Cheshire       Age: 12 years Relation to Head of House: Son      Occupation: School / Cotton Spinner
Name: Bertha Dale      Place of Birth: Oldham, Lancashire       Age: 8 years Relation to Head of House: Daughter   Occupation: School
Name: Albert Dale      Place of Birth: Oldham, Lancashire       Age: 23 years Relation to Head of House: Son      Occupation: Soldier - Away

[Milliepede]

1881 Census, 3rd April
Address: Reused Gardens (?), Bollington, Cheshire
Name: Elizabeth Dale    Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 25 years Relation to Head of House: Wife       Occupation: N/A
Name: Mark Dale       Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 25 years Relation to Head of House: Head       Occupation: Cotton Operative
Name: Sarah Ann Dale    Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 3 years
Relation to Head of House: Daughter    Occupation: N/A
Name: Thomas Dale       Place of Birth: Bollington, Cheshire      Age: 5 years
Relation to Head of House: Son       Occupation: Scholar

That family can't have married in 1885 after the census if she was 22 when she married

[Milliepede]

I don't suppose it's Morgan is it for the surname not Horgan, only the daughter on that 1881 has mothers name Morgan? 

Or is that a different family......sorry if confused.

[CaroleW]

Bolton is in Lancashire but you are looking for the family of a person you say was born in Cheshire.

1891 census shows her as Eliza aged 25 birthplace Bollington but with a 14yr old son??

1901 & 1911 she is born Ashton Lancashire

[CaroleW]

Freebmd & www.lancashirebmd.org.uk confirm her surname as Hogan

However Mark Dale married Elizabeth Morgan March qtr 1874 Macclesfield - see freebmd

John Thomas b 1876 & Sarah Ann 1878 - mmn Morgan