Thomas John christening 1754 Carmarthenshire

[Churchie]

Whoever wrote these messy records needs a rap over the knuckles with a ruler...

I am looking at the christening of Thomas John at the Henllan Amgoed chapel in Carmarthenshire, near the bottom of the page.
It has been transcribed as Thos, son of Nic John (should be Richard) 22 November 1754,  and the parish as Henllan Arngoed. I cannot read the next words after the father's name. It will be his residence, and it appears to be Pen Clif...... Any ideas?


** Please note, I have attached the whole page for maximum handwriting samples, rather than cropping, hope that's okay.

Many thanks,
Caroline.

[goldie61]

Pen clipin

https://places.library.wales/search/51.88/-4.466/8?alt=*%3A*&page=1&sort=score&order=desc&rows=100&refine=&query=&occupier_facet%5B%5D=Thomas%20Benjamin

And agree it's probably 'Ric' = Richard

Any siblings baptisms you could check to see if place of residence is also mentioned?

[Churchie]

Brilliant! Thank you, that needed a fresh pair of eyes, and now I see it, it's so obvious.

CC

[horselydown86]

Is it clear that the father is Ric(hard)?

We have a Nicholas in the second last line.  The initial looks the same.

We have a Rob^t and a Robert with clearly distinct Rs that don't look the same.  Also a Roser with the same R.

Near the top, a Rich^d with the same R.

Furthermore, Nicholas is commonly abbreviated:  Nic:

Richard is commonly abbreviated with the superscript d at the end.

I can't see any justification for transcribing your entry as:  Ric: = Ric(hard).

[Churchie]

Thanks, that's a good point. No, I'm not 100% certain it is Richard, but I have found no other references to a Nic or Nicholas in the parish.
There are two more christenings where Richard John is the father - Margaret John 4th Jan 1761 and Mary John 26th Feb 1764. Unfortunately neither has a residence.
The same person has transcribed all of these records, and they appear to be written by the same person.

CC

[horselydown86]

There are two more christenings where Richard John is the father - Margaret John 4th Jan 1761 and Mary John 26th Feb 1764.

The father in the baptism on 26 February 1764 is clearly:  Nich(ola)^s

The daughter may be Mary but it's hard to be sure without the beginning of the word.  Certainly it ends -ry.

There's an extra note on this record:  Eclipsd

Presumably there was an eclipse on that day.

I'm happy to look at Margaret in 1761 if you wish to post the image.

[osprey]

Pen Clippin in the parish of Llan-gan, actually in Llanfallteg, mentioned as Penclipon on Genuki entry

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pmo/

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanfallteg


I agree that it's Nicholas.

[osprey]

possible burial 1 Jan 1796 for Nicholas John at Henllan Amgoed of Dwrdu, Llanfallteg. He left a will-attached

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pmp/

It mentions
oldest son Thomas
2nd son Evan John
3rd William John
4th Morris John
youngest Stephen

oldest daughter Margaret wife of Joseph James
2nd daughter Mary wife of Philip Lewis
3rd Anne John
4th Martha wife of John Robert

wife Sara