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Hi

I have lots of ancestors in Lancashire and have wondered about whether they were Catholic families. There seem to be a lot called Francis in the 18th century and I wondered if this name was much used by non-Catholics. Am I overthinking?

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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 18 June 20 17:06 BST (UK) »
Hmm, is Francis a "Catholic name?"  Is there any such thing as a Catholic name?  What about Francis Drake and Francis Bacon? 
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 18 June 20 17:24 BST (UK) »
Francis is a saint's name but not necessarily Catholic.

My great great grandfather was called Francis and he was CofE.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 18 June 20 17:49 BST (UK) »
Francis appears on a few of my lines; all were CofE.
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 18 June 20 18:16 BST (UK) »
Ah, looks like that 'theory' hasn't got legs  ;D

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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 18 June 20 18:34 BST (UK) »
.... and my gt. grandfather was a European Saxon, his religion was German Lutheran and whose first name was "Franz" = Francis

I've always presumed the parents named a son after Francis of Assisi - the Saint who became associated with patronage of animals and the natural environment.  It became customary for churches to hold ceremonies blessing animals on or near his feast day of 4 October.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 18 June 20 18:42 BST (UK) »
I would think the name Maria or Mary might be common among Catholics, eg. Mary, Queen of Scots.

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Wiltshire: JONES, BANKS
Yorkshire: FEVERS, SCALES
Kent:  RUMLEY, NIGH
London:  HUGHES, NIGHTINGALE

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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 18 June 20 18:47 BST (UK) »
I would think the name Maria or Mary might be common among Catholics, eg. Mary, Queen of Scots.

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Ooo, I've got loads of them. But, I just assumed most British Isles families would have, tbh - Catholic and non-Catholic?.

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Re: 'Catholic' first names - are they good indicators of Catholic ancestors?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 18 June 20 19:47 BST (UK) »
If you want to know if your ancestors in Lancashire in the 18th century were Catholic, have you used the Returns of Papists for 1767? There are returns for other years, but that is the most detailed and especially in Lancashire. Also, if you look at the Catholic FHS website you may find useful records online. My Catholic ancestor born in 1693 in Church near Accrington was called Abraham, not a name I would have thought of as typically Catholic, but then he was called after his Protestant grandfather. That is another point, that people changed their minds about which church they attended, most often at marriage and you may find closely related people going to different churches.
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