1851 Lancashire census lookup

[Rosemarie]

Hi Tanya

I'm afraid the only possibility I've found for John Mac* is John McAlley, but he's aged aged 11 in 1851. His parents are Peter and Catherine, both born Ireland, with siblings Patrick aged 3, and Catherine aged 1 week. All three children were born in Liverpool. You mentioned the1871 census but not 1861 - do you have any positive info on him or his family which would help?

There are rather more possibilities for John Parkinson - do you have any further details for him to help narrow the search?

Marie.

[bates]

Hi Marie

I have a huge lack of information as men from my maternal grandfather's line dont appear to have had many children nor lived very long.

John James Mc Cauley (JR) (named after paternal father and maternal grandfather)
born Oswaldtwistle 8 Jan 1890
(only child)
at birth address - 10 Swainson Street Oswaldtwistle
to John James Mc Cauley (SNR) and Mary Bradshaw


John James Mc Cauley (SNR)
born 1866-67 Liverpool from age on marriage certificate
(only child?)
aged 5 - 1871 Census  lived at Farnworth with Charles and Louisa Parkinson - listed as NEPHEW
aged 15 - 1881 Census lived 28 Garden St Oswaldtwistle as border
married Oswaldtwistle 15 June 1889
at St Pauls Parish Church  (C or E) aged 22
he lived at 13 Wosley street at marriage time
father John Macauley deceased at time of marriage
aged 25 - 1891 Census -10 Swainson Street Oswaldtwistle with Wife Mary Bradshaw and son John James Jnr
aged 35 - 1901 Census - not living with wife at the time
died Jan-March 1905 Haslingden

John Macauley
born 1833? Liverpool
married before or in 1866?
died Jan-March 1868 aged 35 Liverpool (8b p228).

Interestingly I have a bet with my mum that they are from Ireland and not Scotland!

Charles and Louisa Parkinson
born 1844 Liverpool
marriage unknown
1871 Census living at 60 Presston Lane Farnworth St Catherine
no children listed
1881 Census living at 22 Cochrane St Everton
no children listed

perhaps John James is a Nephew from Louisa Parkinson's side.  She was born 1852 in ireland

Many thanks for looking!
Tanya

[Rosemarie]

Hi Tanya

Unless I'm missing something here your original post said John Macauley, B C1843, Liverpool and aged 8 -10 in 1851 but your more detailed response seems to say he was born 1833?. Which is likely to be most accurate?

There's a song and although I'm not sure what it's called it goes 'There's a little bit of Irish in all of us' and I'm sure it's true. I was born and grew up in Lancashire (in a bit that's now Cheshire!) and although my maternal grandmother died before I was born I always assumed her family was local but of Irish descent. However, when I started researching my family a few years ago I was surprised to find that she had indeed been born in Lancashire but to Scottish parents. Some of her siblings were born in Lancashire but some in Scotland before the family moved. And I'd always wondered why my father put salt on his porridge! I was able to trace the family to Scotland (largely through the children born there) and so I went from being about 75% Irish/25% English to 50% Irish/25%/English and 25% Scottish.

My family name is Connolly (which can be spelled in almost as many different ways as Macauley) and I spent a very long time finding them on the 1891 census as HUNLEY!

Marie.

[Rosemarie]

Hi Tanya

Prepare to be amazed! I'm no nearer solving the conundrum of John MacCauley but I've sorted Louisa Parkinson, or at least I think I have. And, what's more the 1891 shows she was born in Antrim and not just Ireland so that may help if you think she may be connected to the MacCauley family. I've never found any lead to my Irish connections because on the censuses the only place of birth given is usually just Ireland.

First of all, Charles Parkinson married Louisa Harris, Dec Quarter 1868, West Derby. Wasn't sure about this until I came across Louisa on the 1891 Census below.

1851 Census - Charles was living in Scotland Road with his mother, Sarah,Widow, 35, Seamstress, Born Liverpool, and sister, Martha, aged 5 and also born Liverpool.

1861 Census - unable to trace Louisa but Charles, 19, was working as a commercial clerk and living with his mother, Sarah, a widow aged 44 whose occupation was dressmaker. Sarah was born in Liverpoool. No sign of Martha with family and the only one possibility I could find was Martha Parkinson, aged 14 who was a Scholar at the Blue Coat School, Liverpool.

1871 Census

Charles and Louisa were living at 60 Prenton Lane, St Catherines, Tranmere, Cheshire and not Lancashire as you believed.

Charles Parkinson, 29, Commercial Clerk, Born LIverpool
Louisa Harris, 20, Born Ireland
John Macauley,Nephew, 5, Born Liverpool
Elizabeth Haran, Visitor, 30, Married, Born Liverpool
Elizabeth Anne Haran, 1, Born Liverpool
(Included the visitors in case the surname had any relevance for you)

1881 Census details you have are correct.

1891 Census

York Villa, Fort Street, Liscard, Wallasey

Charles Parkinson, 47, Mercantile Clerk, Born LIverpool
Louisa Parkinson, 37, Born Antrim, Ireland
John Harris, Nephew, 18, Mercantile Clerk, Born Liverpool
Joseph Harris, Nephew, 16, Mercantile Clerk, Born Liverpool
(Nephews' surname seems to confirm that Louisa'a surname was Harris)

1901 Census

Charles, 58, and Louisa, 48, were still living in Fort Street, Wallasey and Charles was still occupied as a commercial clerk.

Hope this helps - if I find anything else that seems relevant I'll get back to you.

Good luck

Marie.

[bates]

Oh Marie!
What fabulous information!
I suppose I can either guess that John Macauley (the missing father) married either a Parkinson or Harris for his son to be classified as NEPHEW.
This is somewhere to look!

As for John Macauley I really dont know about a birth year.  Initially I had found someone with that name born in 1843 in Liverpool but if the death of someone else also of the name is around 1868 in that time probably fits better.  This is why I havent purchased a birth certificate for John James SNR as I am just not sure!

Hunley instead of Connelly.... now that is a stretch! ha

Many many thanks!!
Tanya

[bates]

Hi again Marie

In 1881
William A Harris(37 Dublin)
Elizabeth Harris (46 Liverpool)
Elizabeth A (11 Liverpool)
Charles (9 Liverpool)
Maria (7 Liverpool)
and stepson Peter Woodward (17 Liverpool)

were living at 4 Spurgeon St Everton.


at the same time
Charles Parkinson (37 Liverpool)
Louisa  (29 Ireland)

were living at 22 Cochrane St Everton.

If Louisa (29) and William (37) are brother and sister, how would I go about looking at shipping records given that they probably arrived in Liverpool after the 1861 Census but before the December quarter of 1868 (louisa's marriage in West Derby)?

Is Dublin in Antrim?
and is West Derby near the port of Liverpool?

Cheers
Tanya 

[Rosemarie]

Hi Tanya

I was in the middle of typing a reply and juggling between screens when I had a message from Roootschat 'slapping my wrist' for not acknowledging copyright of census material. I dealt with that and somehow lost my reply and have had to start again, so here goes.

The only link between William Harris and Louisa seems to be that they're both from Ireland but Antrim is in the north East of the island of Ireland and some way from Dublin. I've never come across any info on passengers sailing to and fro in the 19C when the whole of Ireland was still part of GB. It's something I've wondered about because  many branches of my family lead back to Ireland. West Derby has been part of Liverpool for a very long time but in the 19C it was a separate Registration District.

I searched to see if I could find John and Joseph Harris in 1881 but the only ones I could find,  were John, 8 and Joseph, 6 in the Boys' and Girls' Infant Orphanage Asylum in Myrtle Street and both were born in Liverpool. It's possible they were Louisa'a brothers, born after the family came to Liverpool but a request on the Lancashire board may provide information about records for this establishment and its inmates.

Hope I've got the dates right and if I have any further inspiration which may help I'll get back in touch. Let me know if there's anything else you think I can help with.

Regards

Marie.

[Rosemarie]

Hi Tanya

I worried away at the problem of John Mac* and in the end went back to the Oswaldtwistle census because that appreared to be the only concrete evidence of him before he married.

I wondered why the four young boarders, all employed as coal miners, were all in Oswaldtwistle together in 1881 and so I went back to the previous census where I found four boys all with the same names among the scholars/inmates of the Liverpool Industrial school at Kirkdale, Liverpool.

John Mac* in the Oswaldtwistle Household was actually shown as Maculey, aged 13 and not 15 as in the transcription you will have seen, and in Liverpool ten years earlier he was shown as John McCauley, aged 4, place of birth unknown.

I'm afraid it's beginning to look very much as though you may never trace John's parents and I wondered why you thought the boy living with Louisa was the John you were looking for.

Let me know what you think

Marie.

PS

I feel really disappointed for you if this is correct.  I had a similar problem with my grandfather who was illegitimate. I think I'd always known at the back of my mind that he was illegitimate because of things my mother said  but I always thought we'd find out who he was because I'm certain my mother knew but so many secrets have gone to the grave. I thought I had the correct BC but I knew right away that his father's details on his MC were a fiction and then I started to doubt I had the correct BC. I felt almost as though I'd been orphaned but I can't understand why I felt so badly about it when I had to give up the search! 

[cathleen]

Look-up please...being in the US it is very hard to gather any information...if you could please look up these names and see if you can find them living in the area I would appreciate it very much.
 Thank you.
Cathy Lee


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